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60 Cyclists To Sue Edinburgh Council
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Can they not design plates where cyclists are forced to cross that will hold the weight of a couple of cyclists but the trams weight can force it to one side?
http://www.strail.de/index.php?id=197&L=1
http://www.streetfilms.org/cyclists-vs-rails-in-zurich/0 -
Err car drivers aren't getting hurt by the tram tracks thus aren't the ones that Altarf is suggesting banning.
No, but drivers are getting hurt by their decisions to drive in a clearly unsafe manner.
Drivers like to think that they are above the law and they willingly choose to put themselves and others in danger. They're so arrogant (and stupid) that they let a single speed camera generate £800,000 in fines in just six months!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30612570
But no, they just ignore all the warning signs and do whatever the hell they like. They should be banned from the roads -- all roads.0 -
No, but drivers are getting hurt by their decisions to drive in a clearly unsafe manner.
Drivers like to think that they are above the law and they willingly choose to put themselves and others in danger. They're so arrogant (and stupid) that they let a single speed camera generate £800,000 in fines in just six months!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30612570
But no, they just ignore all the warning signs and do whatever the hell they like. They should be banned from the roads -- all roads.
Very true.
For example on the way into Edinburgh on the A1 there are road works with a limit of 30mph.
99% of car drivers still doing 70+ even though it is normally a 50mph on that stretch.
What is so important in these peoples lives????0 -
To get back to the original post.
Just learn how best to cross them. Back in Europe hundreds of cities are full of tram tracks. No-one sues the council there. I grew up in a city full of tram tracks. You just had to get used to it i.e. while cycling in the middle of the road amongst tram tracks waiting/turning right (well left in Europe). Go parallel along them but then increase the angle as much as possible before crossing. Just look where you're going and reduce your speed. Never had a single fall.finally tea total but in still in (more) debt (Oct 25 CC £1800, loan £6453, mortgage £59,924/158,000)0 -
thriftylass wrote: »To get back to the original post.
Just learn how best to cross them. Back in Europe hundreds of cities are full of tram tracks. No-one sues the council there. I grew up in a city full of tram tracks. You just had to get used to it i.e. while cycling in the middle of the road amongst tram tracks waiting/turning right (well left in Europe). Go parallel along them but then increase the angle as much as possible before crossing. Just look where you're going and reduce your speed. Never had a single fall.
Yeah but the roads in Edinburgh are toy town when compared to big European cities with trams.
Continuing on... our roads are already shared by cars, buses, taxis, coaches, trucks, cyclists and pedestrians.
Not to mention crap weather being Scotland, crap road surfaces, endless traffic calming and road works. And now trams... which does nothing better then the bus it replaces.
Does not create the laid back environment I've experienced in loads of European cities.
The Edinburgh tram is purely a vanity project. It's not even the slightest bit comparable to say the metro in Newcastle...0 -
Cyclists are being encouraged to cycle into danger zones.
http://youtu.be/GAVD4EXb8_M
How it was ever allowed is beyond me!
Needs something like this to change the approach angle:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gordonwerner/9316517394/in/set-721576301541558040 -
Needs something like this to change the approach angle:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gordonwerner/9316517394/in/set-72157630154155804
There is already route that does that, with a cycle path taking you to the left of the tracks into the end of the taxi rank and then across the tracks at a right angle.
The cyclist in the video was going too fast for the conditions to use it.
If cyclists won't use safe provision that is made for them, but take a dangerous route at a dangerous speed, what alternative is there other than removing cyclists from the situation.0 -
There is already route that does that, with a cycle path taking you to the left of the tracks into the end of the taxi rank and then across the tracks at a right angle.
The cyclist in the video was going too fast for the conditions to use it.
If cyclists won't use safe provision that is made for them, but take a dangerous route at a dangerous speed, what alternative is there other than removing cyclists from the situation.
Its nothing 'like' that.
The Edinburgh version is a route that takes you off the road and means you are rejoining the road.
Its like a temporary route to avoid roadworks,used as a permanent solution.
The other route keeps the cyclists on the road and creates an angle to cross the tracks naturally.0 -
I agree, but in this video http://youtu.be/GAVD4EXb8_M The cyclist would need to move to the edge of the lane and slow down before crossing sharply. Its likely following motorists would see the slowing cyclist at the edge of the lane as an indication to overtake. Track crossings like this need to be marked to highlight them to cyclists and (hopefully) show motorists the likely path of cyclists.thriftylass wrote: »To get back to the original post.
Just learn how best to cross them. Back in Europe hundreds of cities are full of tram tracks. No-one sues the council there. I grew up in a city full of tram tracks. You just had to get used to it i.e. while cycling in the middle of the road amongst tram tracks waiting/turning right (well left in Europe). Go parallel along them but then increase the angle as much as possible before crossing. Just look where you're going and reduce your speed. Never had a single fall.0 -
Its nothing 'like' that.
The Edinburgh version is a route that takes you off the road and means you are rejoining the road.
Its like a temporary route to avoid roadworks,used as a permanent solution.
The other route keeps the cyclists on the road and creates an angle to cross the tracks naturally.
But you agree that there was a safe solution for the cyclist to use, but they chose to take a dangerous route at a dangerous speed instead. And paid the price for that decision.
So you make my point that no matter how good the cycling provision near the tram tracks is, some cyclists will ignore them, bleating "not good enough".
The only provision that would satisfy some cyclists would be if all vehicles were banned, trams were banned, pedestrians banned, and still they would manage to injure themselves, and bleat "not good enough".
If cyclists cannot be trusted to behave sensibly and use the safe provisions provided, the alternative being injury, the only solution is to prohibit them.0
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