Switching off someone else's ignition

straighttalker

Spicy_McHaggis wrote: »

If they get it out who's in possession of the offensive weapon?





Oh sorry no one under 3" is allowed.

Come on old chap! It has been cold in these parts of late!

marleyboy

straighttalker wrote: »

Come on old chap! It has been cold in these parts of late!

I'd have thought 3" is wide enough.

Geodark

Strider590 wrote: »

Going off on a slight tangent in order make my point.......

It's legal for example to own a large kitchen knife, one which has a fixed blade of some 20cm in length, within the confines of your own home.

https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

It however an offence to carry said knife in a public place, equally if you carry such a knife in your car you would also be committing an offence.

By this standard, there can be no trespass, because if the vehicle is in a publicly accessible space, it too becomes public space.

Side tracking a little... this is not fully correct unfortunately - you can carry any knife you need to perform a legal task. I checked this with the police a few years ago when I started going fishing and because i need the knife to gut the fish, prepare the bait etc, then I am legally allowed to carry it in my car - but only when I am going fishing or coming back from fishing - if I was caught any other time then yes I would be committing an offence.

gilbert_and_sullivan

Any hand that suddenly enters my car and gets close enough to my person to remove the ignition key won't be leaving in the same condition, self defence due to unprovoked assault or attempted mugging, anyone normal would think themselves under attack of some sort and act accordingly.

Presumably this theoretical cyclist is one of that new breed of urban part time jobsworths heroes, who have at last found a role in life of creating problems and then putting videos of their self important but ultimately mind numbingly boring road adventures up on Youtube to impress other equally boring bleeders.

Spicy_McHaggis

gilbert_and_sullivan wrote: »

Any hand that suddenly enters my car and gets close enough to my person to remove the ignition key won't be leaving in the same condition, self defence due to unprovoked assault or attempted mugging, anyone normal would think themselves under attack of some sort and act accordingly.

Presumably this theoretical cyclist is one of that new breed of urban part time jobsworths heroes, who have at last found a role in life of creating problems and then putting videos of their self important but ultimately mind numbingly boring road adventures up on Youtube to impress other equally boring bleeders.

I love comments like that, what exactly do you mean by that?

Push them away by all means but breaking their hand would see you in court.

Strider590

Geodark wrote: »

Side tracking a little... this is not fully correct unfortunately - you can carry any knife you need to perform a legal task. I checked this with the police a few years ago when I started going fishing and because i need the knife to gut the fish, prepare the bait etc, then I am legally allowed to carry it in my car - but only when I am going fishing or coming back from fishing - if I was caught any other time then yes I would be committing an offence.

Seems a lot of people are missing the point ENTIRELY.

The reason I use knife law as an example is because it's not illegal to own one (of type blah blah blah), but it is illegal to carrying one in a public space (unless blah blah blah).

The point was that carrying an illegal knife is only an offence in a public space, I don't care about exceptions which 90% of people won't meet, emphasis is on the title "public space" and the fact that under the law, your car IS considered a public space.

Let's not get hung up on knife law, pedantic people please do one.
The question is whether the law views a motor vehicle as a public space and it does.
Any area where the public readily have access IS considered a public area, whether there's a car on top of it or not.

ilikewatch

Spicy_McHaggis wrote: »

I love comments like that, what exactly do you mean by that?

Push them away by all means but breaking their hand would see you in court.

It might see you in court, but if you could show that the hand got broken whilst you tried to defend yourself and your property from what you assumed to be a carjacker , then you would hopefully walk out of court a free man.

AdrianC

Tobster86 wrote: »

The driver is not unfit to drive through drink or drugs; only through their own stupidity, which was unfortunately not determined when they passed their driving test.

And the cyclist's intent when switching off the ignition was a mix of retaliation and ensuring he could deliver said lecture.

Was the ignition just "switched off", or were the keys removed from the ignition? If removed, what happened to them?

Spicy_McHaggis

Strider590 wrote: »

Seems a lot of people are missing the point ENTIRELY.

The reason I use knife law as an example is because it's not illegal to own one (of type blah blah blah), but it is illegal to carrying one in a public space (unless blah blah blah).

The point was that carrying an illegal knife is only an offence in a public space, I don't care about exceptions which 90% of people won't meet, emphasis is on the title "public space" and the fact that under the law, your car IS considered a public space.

Let's not get hung up on knife law, pedantic people please do one.
The question is whether the law views a motor vehicle as a public space and it does.
Any area where the public readily have access IS considered a public area, whether there's a car on top of it or not.

So the inside of a private car is not a public place.

tykesi

Tobster86 wrote: »

This highly detailed scenario is entirely hypothetical. Honest.

So you’re a co ck and had a spat with another co ck and want us to tell you it’s ok to be a co ck?

Two wrongs don’t make a right – stop being a co ck.

gilbert_and_sullivan wrote: »

Presumably this theoretical cyclist is one of that new breed of urban part time jobsworths heroes, who have at last found a role in life of creating problems and then putting videos of their self important but ultimately mind numbingly boring road adventures up on Youtube to impress other equally boring bleeders.

Exactly this IMO.


On a related note I did once see a road rage video where one driver too the other’s keys out of the ignition and threw them off the bridge they were on. That was funny!