TV reception and the law

enfield_freddy

you obviously did not read what I posted , the feeds were from youtube , they had recorded them and sent them out with a delay , whilst the day long programme was still in action. the BBC , seem to say that the programme must be ended to be called catchup.


so in essence , youtube must have been sending out (according to the BBC) live feeds


however the company TVCatchup , had a long court case and lost , regarding the rights to delay (and went bust) see http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3480796/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_dt_dt


ref http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright,_Designs_and_Patents_Act_1988

Kurtis_Blue

If the XBMC is using the iplayer or other broadcast live feeds then it needs a TVL.

If you have set you box to somehow delay the feed then it will be buffering/recording a live feed and needs a TVL.

enfield_freddy

the feeds do not come via iplayer or a UK sorse , the program logs onto "notfilmsuk" this is not a uk website

Kurtis_Blue

enfield_freddy wrote: »

the feeds do not come via iplayer or a UK sorse , the program logs onto "notfilmsuk" this is not a uk website

Do you men "notfilmon"? they are links to the UK live TV broadcast streams.

You need a TVL.

Swipe

If you don't want to buy a licence, then don't. No one is going to catch you. If you believe you don't need a licence then that is fine. Giving others false impression of what is legal may jeopardise them if they were ever visited by TV Licensing goon and admitted to just that.

Nilrem

Legally if you watch TV live, and that "live" includes essential delays brought about by the transmission method* you need a licence.

If you're watching streaming of Live UK TV via a third countries website that is still included.


*For example Iplayer Live streams will have a delay due to encoding and latency, digital TV always has a delay due to the encoding, satellite has a delay due to the encoding and distance travelled (pretty much all TV these days is slightly delayed due to things like encoding and distribution methods).

enfield_freddy

ok that seems a sensible answer , without going off tangent


thank you

Dr._Shoe

enfield_freddy wrote: »

however , can I refer you to the fact that several pre recorded sections (continuous) are often shown on youtube channel, eg: last year goodwood , the programme was still being transmitted whilst that was being shown , so by logic of the bbc , anyone watching this on a tablet in the street could be stopped and asked for proof of licence (name/address)

No, it's powered by its own internal batteries so it's covered by their household licence.

From the BBCs website:

Do I need a TV Licence if I watch a programme on a delay? Yes you do. If the programme is being shown on live TV, you need a TV Licence to watch or record it. If the device or technology you’re using to watch the programme causes a delay between when the programme was shown and when you watch it, you’re still receiving live TV.
‘Live TV’ means any programme you watch or record at the same time as it’s being shown on TV or an online TV service.
If you only ever watch ‘on demand’ programmes, you don’t need a TV Licence. On demand includes catch-up TV, streaming or downloading programmes after they’ve been shown on live TV, or programmes available online before being shown on TV.

This also covers TV watched via a non UK "sorse" too. Interestingly, you can watch a programme before it's transmitted without a licence too.

Cornucopia

When asked, TVL cite a 2 hour delay as defining the difference between Live broadcast and Catch-up.

Like any arbitrary rule, there will be anomalies, like the Youtube example, and the situation where a programme is repeated in the live stream, whilst the original showing remains available on iPlayer.

The OP's scenario needs a licence, I would have thought. It's not hard to view only via catch-up, though, and if the OP's priority is to avoid needing a licence, I would suggest that they do that.

enfield_freddy

have TVL made that time figure up?


where in law is that stated