G24 Parking dispute Unsuccessful

Autospaz

Hello,

After receiving a PCN from G24 for overstaying the time limit at Braintree Freeport in a hire car, I appealed using a template letter I found on the forums here.

I have now received a letter stating that my appeal was rejected. It is obviously a generic letter, and it states that I can appeal to the IAS.

Having read all of the newbies thread, I understand that the IAS are something of a kangaroo court and my appeal to them is likely to be rejected, however I will still go through the process.

Does anyone have a template or a link to a template letter I can send to the IAS regarding the charge?

I am new to the forums so would really appreciate a helpful and friendly reply.

Redx

there are no template letters for the IAS, its an individual bespoke appeal

bazster

See the Newbies thread https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4816822

There's a lot of it so take it slowly and read it several times!

Autospaz

OK, so I've read all of the Newbies thread twice, even all of the shouty bit in red, capital letters.

What I'm asking for is an example of the letter that someone has sent for their appeal to the IAS (or even POPLA) as I understand that G24 no longer use POPLA for appeals.

I assume that people have sent such letters as the thread claims 100% success against POPLA and that nearly all appeals are rejected by the IAS.

Again, I would appreciate a helpful and friendly reply, if you are going to tell me to read another thread, please provide a link.

Redx

you can read many popla appeals linked from that newbies thread link, although I doubt they will do you any good for the IAS

clearly you havent understood the comments that templates wont work for the IAS, its a bespoke individual appeal that you need to draft yourself

you can look through any other recent threads detailing IAS appeals for inspiration, even using the forum search box and suitable words, but to expect templates for everything is not going to happen, especially not the IAS

anything that is suitable is already linked from that newbies sticky thread, so although you may have read it twice, I doubt you clicked on the hyper links taking you to the examples etc , if any exist , if not then you have to find or draft your own

ManxRed

Read the POPLA appeal template in the Newbies thread. However do not just use this against the IAS. As others have said, you need to write it in your own words and you need to understand everything you write. If you don't understand some points, then ask.

I would write the appeal as if you know it will be seen by a judge. Not that it will, we haven't seen many cases from IPC members so far, but if they DO suddenly try it on, then your appeal would form the basis of demonstrating to the judge that the IAS acted unreasonably in rejecting your appeal.

Focus on the legal points.

1. Was this a free car park? If so, then losses from an overstay is zero. No amount of admin charges piled on top will be valid if the initial loss was zero. The additional charges will be of their own making and not applicable to the recovery of a loss that didn't exist in the first place.

2. Were the signs sufficient to form a contract with the motorist? If not, why? Photographs of the signs, and highlight the wording that is incorrect or fails to form a contract.

3. Does the PPC have sufficient landholder rights to offer parking and pursue charges in their own name? Probably not, but you need to explain why the onus would be on the PPC and not the motorist - as the IAS maintain - to prove it by way of production of a contract (commercially sensitive paragraphs may be edited out only, but the rest should remain intact). Why do you believe that they DON'T have a contract? (clues: Who pays the business rates for the car park? Is there wording on the signs/paperwork mentioning that they are managing it on behalf of someone else, etc.).

As you can see this is difficult to template and the IAS would spot a template a mile off anyway (as would a judge).

So, I can only advise you to read the POPLA appeals, but most of all try and understand the meaning of what is written there and then try and capture the salient points that apply to you and your circumstances, in your own words.

It'll be rejected anyway though!

ManxRed

By the way, my post is written on the basis that the OP insists on challenging the ticket with the IAS.

Please note that ignoring the PPC altogether is also a perfectly valid option here for PPCs who are IPC members.

bod1467

IAS appeals are a kangaroo court - unless you have a cast-iron appeal reason (e.g. it wasn't my car, which was elsewhere at the time in question and here is the proof) then it's debatable whether it's worth even putting in an appeal. Nothing to stop you doing it, but don't waste a lot of time on it - you are 99.5% certain to lose.

So that means the next stage would be court - IAS appeal or not. G24 don't do court ... any debt collector they employ (probably Joe Bloggs sitting at the next desk) can't take you to court, so anything from them is bog paper.

Autospaz

Redx, I apologise for entering this forum under the impression that if I asked for help I might actually get some.

Having, in actual fact followed the links, they are almost exclusively links to lists of reasons not to pay the notices, or explaining how unfair they are.

Contrary to the above assumption, I have understood that a cover-all template does not exist. I have not found any of the thread helpful to my situation which is why I have started a new post asking for help.

Manxred and bod1467 thank you, for your responses. Both are helpful. I've dealt with phoney debt collectors before so I'm quite happy to sack them off. I understand that the appeal will most likely be rejected by the IAS but ant to have roper paper trail.

ManxRed

Blimey.

It took me ages to type my post. No berating or humiliating anywhere in it either.

I'm out. Good luck.

bod1467

Eh? What? Don't you WANT any help?

I'm out.

You should still apologise (properly) to Redx ... there was nothing wrong with that post.