Suddenly got terrifying legal letters re: train penalty fare!

d123

Altarf wrote: »

BLAH BLAH BLAH

TL;DR

Pointless discussing it with you, you don't seem to be able to get it.

It is done under parliamentary approval and by UK law, write to your MP if you feel so strongly that the law is wrong.

Altarf

d123 wrote: »

Pointless discussing it with you, you don't seem to be able to get it.

Don't like to be proved wrong?

d123 wrote: »

It is done under parliamentary approval and by UK law, write to your MP if you feel so strongly that the law is wrong.

If these bribes do have a legal basis, please quote the law, because it certainly isn't s5.3.a of Regulation of Railway Act 1889 as amended.

Claiming it does just makes you look stupid.

Livingthedream

d123 wrote: »

if you have the ability you can read them. If you disagree, make an appointment with your MP to complain or report the TOCs to the police for bribery.

Why would you want to do that? these admin charges or bribes are in everybody's interest. For a minor byelaw offence or penalty fares it allows the individual to take a slap on the wrist and not worry about any court appearance. The Train company receive more revenue (Not Much more) this way than proceeding down the legal route so they too are happy.

For RRA1889 offences it allows the individual to take a larger slap on the wrist and not worry about any court appearance and more importantly no criminal record. The Train company receive more revenue (A lot more) this way than proceeding down the legal route so they too are happy.

However with both scenarios its up to the Train company whether to offer an admin charge/bribe sometimes they don't and just go for a prosecution either way big prosecutions or out of court settlement normally end up in the newspapers as a deterrent.

d123 wrote: »

Here you go, to make it easier for you, enforcement starts in section 24.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/4202/railway-byelaws.pdf

Oh! by the way that legislation you quoted only covers the size of the fine ie 'level 3 on the standard scale' the admin charge or bribe is up to the Train company and has no legal justification.

Cornucopia

“compulsory ticket area” means any area designated as such under a Penalty Fares Scheme and identified by a notice to this effect.

Persons who enter a compulsory ticket area without being in possession of a valid ticket may be liable to pay a penalty fare;

Sounds reasonably straightforward, although it doesn't say how the penalty fare should be calculated.

Confusingly, it also says this:-

Any person who breaches any of these Byelaws commits an offence and, with the exception of Byelaw 17 [compulsory ticket areas], may be liable for each such offence to a penalty not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale

mgdavid

Altarf, no-one is arguing with you any more - you only paid for the 5 minute argument
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y