Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

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Put it this way, if Scotland was becoming independent in 10 days I really wouldn't want to be on an NHS waiting list in the north of England.

They would all come south anyway.

Free buses and maps to the nearest hospitals to Carlisle and Newcastle would be provided.

kabayiri

The Scottish government do seem more comfortable with blaming Westminster than trying to even accept they have a lot of work to do just to balance the books.

So far Westminster has been fairly compliant, but I can see a move even further right in the UK government.

If the Scottish MPs do take an aggressive line, there will be even less sympathy to support Scottish growth down here.

Perhaps creating disenchantment amongst the rUK public is a strategy most likely to deliver independence?

Generali

kabayiri wrote: »

The Scottish government do seem more comfortable with blaming Westminster than trying to even accept they have a lot of work to do just to balance the books.

So far Westminster has been fairly compliant, but I can see a move even further right in the UK government.

If the Scottish MPs do take an aggressive line, there will be even less sympathy to support Scottish growth down here.

Perhaps creating disenchantment amongst the rUK public is a strategy most likely to deliver independence?

And that's the SNP approach in a nutshell: if they can't persuade Scots to vote for independence then try to make the UK as ungovernable as possible.

If the SNP can't use a positive message then try to wreck the UK to force Scotland out of the UK.

Remember the aim is independence for Scotland not good outcomes for Scotland. Destroying the UK is just the same thing as building Scotland. An independent Scots people living in poverty, suffering from curable diseases is better than a Scotland in the UK supported by the NHS.

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

And that's the SNP approach in a nutshell: if they can't persuade Scots to vote for independence then try to make the UK as ungovernable as possible.
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The SNP tactics on Sunday Trading hours in England is a classic spoiling tactic.

It's nothing to do with protecting Scottish jobs.

It's all to do with hacking of Tory MPs, and judging by some of the pundit reaction it has worked.

We already have Guerrilla Marketing. This is just Guerrilla politics.

princeofpounds

Remember the aim is independence for Scotland not good outcomes for Scotland

I think that really sums it up well.

elantan

It's interesting how a lot of people that don't even live in Scotland are so concerned as to if Scotland can afford to be independent or even cope ... wonder if they care as much about if their neighbours can afford things... do they go on and on about the USA or Canada or any other country try being able to afford it I wonder

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

It's interesting how a lot of people that don't even live in Scotland are so concerned as to if Scotland can afford to be independent or even cope ... wonder if they care as much about if their neighbours can afford things... do they go on and on about the USA or Canada or any other country try being able to afford it I wonder

I for one don't care whether the scots will be able afford things per se as the other effects will make it all worthwhile.
However, as the English are a very generous people, we know that when the flood of scots exploiting the english NHS (just like the Welsh are already doing) we will be ever so generous and allow it.

Even though I am, in general, against further increases in the English population, we will of course welcome the flood of young well education scots, just as we do the Irish

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

The Scottish government do seem more comfortable with blaming Westminster than trying to even accept they have a lot of work to do just to balance the books.

So far Westminster has been fairly compliant, but I can see a move even further right in the UK government.

If the Scottish MPs do take an aggressive line, there will be even less sympathy to support Scottish growth down here.

Perhaps creating disenchantment amongst the rUK public is a strategy most likely to deliver independence?

That's not what I meant. The SNP on the whole run election campaigns using relentless positivity. I know this will be hard for you to envision, but the worst negativity you see regarding the SNP is generally from press and media outwith Scotland 'Salmond/Sturgeon accused'. There's been a referendum, a General Election and a Holyrood General Election in 2014/2015 and 2016.

In terms of issues and reports such as GERS, it tends to be left to others on the pro-indy or SNP supporting commentary to make their arguments for them and for the narrative to then take hold via social media ( most of the press sure won't print anything too SNP friendly ). Imho, the SNP seriously need to change this going forward. Not the press, but by starting to counter these things themselves.

This year’s GERS report was always going to be a sore one for the SNP, coming so close after they lost a referendum on the economics and amid a crisis in the oil industry.

And yet the SNP government seemed so unprepared for it. Where was the detailed counter argument to such an appalling set of figures? Where were the pre-briefings, the rebuttals, the experts wheeled out to offer an alternative narrative, where was the Council of Economic Advisors?

All that this particular GERS report compounds is the feeling that since September 2014 there has been an abandonment of the economic argument for independence by the SNP. That rather than doing something about that economic Achilles heel, the party appears to have done little or no work on building a new case for Yes.

https://www.holyrood.com/articles/editors-note/wheres-cry-freedom

Also worth reminding you that Westminster runs Scotland's economy not the SNP. So when it comes to 'blame' there is a reason for it. It's because it's true. We'll see what happens over the summer anyway.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

And that's the SNP approach in a nutshell: if they can't persuade Scots to vote for independence then try to make the UK as ungovernable as possible.

If the SNP can't use a positive message then try to wreck the UK to force Scotland out of the UK.

That would be impossible with only 56 MP's. Hyperbole much ?

Remember the aim is independence for Scotland not good outcomes for Scotland. Destroying the UK is just the same thing as building Scotland. An independent Scots people living in poverty, suffering from curable diseases is better than a Scotland in the UK supported by the NHS.

Am pretty sure the SNP is convinced that gaining independence is the best way forward for Scotland going forward. Why would they want independence if that wasn't the case ?

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

The SNP tactics on Sunday Trading hours in England is a classic spoiling tactic.

It's nothing to do with protecting Scottish jobs.

It's all to do with hacking of Tory MPs, and judging by some of the pundit reaction it has worked.

We already have Guerrilla Marketing. This is just Guerrilla politics.

Yes it was. Because if it wasn't it would've been an EVEL only vote. You seem to have forgotten Labour and Tory rebel MP's voted against it too. Pretty sure Tory rebels aren't out to Guerilla the Tories.