Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Generali

Latest polling is here:

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9279?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PollingReport+%28UK+Polling+Report%29

It's interesting to note that the SNP don't look likely to be able to form a Government with Labour even if they win almost every seat in Scotland.

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

If you were to ask me.. I'd say any 'next referendum' would be on a Devo-max basis not independence. Purely advisory of course, but then left up to Westminster to say no. Which might be difficult if there is a strong SNP presence there. But I think that might be for a possible 2016 manifesto. And is probably the best vote winner out there for the SNP at the moment according to polls for..oooh.. about the last 3 years ?

Well most of them are on Youtube by now. Or if not, there will always have been someone there to ask what happened. If you could provide a few dates on where these comments were said, and what they were. Let us all know and we can look them up ?

Ps Bravo DavidF loving your posts too.

So how does what you've said above , fit with your comments on a 2017 EU opt out decision affecting state of play for another referendum? Or am I missing something here? I'm asking seems as how you're giving me the impression now of being a single posting voice for a collective body on here.

I'm well aware Salmonds been playing the long game his entire life and of his tactics and manoeuvrings within the party to achieve his ambition. Been around longer than him, and have watched him carefully mould his persona and policies to suit.

And what are you now - the state police? As if. Lol. Get a grip Mate , we're not a single party state yet, thankfully.

chewmylegoff

DavidF wrote: »

The English Irish and Welsh are perfectly capable of "fighting" for their slice of the "pot". If you do not like your share or what your share gets spent on may I suggest when the party's knock on your door ASK what are they going to do for YOU.....Not what they can take off anyone else..just what can you do to get your town/community more funding IF needed.

There isn't an unlimited amount of money. The only way that one area can receive more is at the expense of another, whether that is a direct cut in the other region's funding or through increased borrowing which someone else pays for.

elantan

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Start the ball rolling Clapton as David suggests. Pester your MP, ask what they are going to do for you & your community. They are accountable to you, if they aren't working hard & trying to help their constituents/community vote accordingly.

Mp's here in Scotland have never had it so hard. People badger them constantly now. Nothing goes unchallenged. The 'little' people can bring about change if we shout loud enough.

Just to back that up, I have a few friends that are councillors Msp' and Mp hopefuls, they are all very aware that there is no such thing as an easy ride up here, politicians need to remember THEY work for US not the other way around,

Instead of moaning on here go kick some politicians backside and make them earn their money, be warned though they try to be slippery, but you can pin them down if you do your homework

Leanne1812

chewmylegoff wrote: »

There isn't an unlimited amount of money. The only way that one area can receive more is at the expense of another, whether that is a direct cut in the other region's funding or through increased borrowing which someone else pays for.

I suggest that someone else could be a multi national corporation who plays the system we have which allows this. Change the system, fix the loopholes and target them.

Generali

Leanne1812 wrote: »

I suggest that someone else could be a multi national corporation who plays the system we have which allows this. Change the system, fix the loopholes and target them.

Ah, you mean tell the Dutch and Irish how to run their tax systems. I think that they're unlikely to want to do that.

chewmylegoff

Leanne1812 wrote: »

I suggest that someone else could be a multi national corporation who plays the system we have which allows this. Change the system, fix the loopholes and target them.

Perhaps we could increase taxes on the Scottish oil industry to, say, 125%, that should do the trick.

In any event, increasing revenue and spending more in one region of the country won't redress an imbalance in the way that money is allocated between regions as it would result in greater increases in the block grant to the areas which already receive more per capita.

Generali

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Perhaps we could increase taxes on the Scottish oil industry to, say, 125%, that should do the trick.

In any event, increasing revenue and spending more in one region of the country won't redress an imbalance in the way that money is allocated between regions as it would result in greater increases in the block grant to the areas which already receive more per capita.

It seems rather unfair that Scotland, being apparently so rich that they put huge sums into the Exchequer, have such very high levels of spending. London has some of the poorest boroughs in the country yet is a massive net payer into the system, effectively subsidising the rest of the UK.

Leanne1812

Generali wrote: »

It seems rather unfair that Scotland, being apparently so rich that they put huge sums into the Exchequer, have such very high levels of spending. London has some of the poorest boroughs in the country yet is a massive net payer into the system, effectively subsidising the rest of the UK.

What to do then?

Reduce Scotland's pot or try and collect revenue from other means?

Have you looked into the root cause of why London with it's wealth should have some of the poorest boroughs? Genuine question.

DavidF

CLAPTON wrote: »

the 'share' of the block grant add up to 100% : one gets more than their fair share then some-one else gets less.

surely a leftie believes passionately in equal shares for all people suitably modified for need

I fully agree that the law should be changed to stop internationals companies from 'moving' their profits off shore: but it won't be enough (but still very worthwhile doing.

but of course we can just increase the debt mountain.

You are just repeating yourself. You state leftie = I should support equal share of "pot" - fine you have HS2 - we can have free prescriptions.
Im glad you agree on a taxation system that is properly managed and closes all loopholes and schemes. Don't see how you could claim it would not be "enough" I personally would challenge that.

Again at the end of your post you just regurgitate the old "But we could just borrow more"......It's a tired old tory line. The fact is THEY have borrowed more during this parliament than labour did during their 13 years.......But Labour are the bogey man.

Maybe I should put a stock answer in my sig - I don't believe Scotland is subsidised by anyone other than it's tax payers.

BTW it is nice to note your local services are in good shape....not sure why you are upset about cash going to others if your services are in good shape.....Is it just a bit of envy ?