Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No, I've been posting on this board and more specifically in Scottish threads since 2010/11. Lets just say I've 'been round the block' a few times with Hamish and Generali ( in a forum kind of way ) over these issues. Many times. I don't think you were around then, and a lot of the old threads have disappeared.

Before the referendum, no-one thought the SNP would get much in the way of Westminster seats. The polls were telling a different story with support climbing. You accused me of 'wishful thinking' skint.. I was simply pointing out the fact that, well, that's something on these boards, I've been accused of many, many times before ( as well as extremism, and being a cult member)...

Polling wise. I actually do reflect broad brush views of many Scots voters. Simply dismissing as 'wishful thinking' is dismissing 45 - 50 % of the the entire Scottish electorate at the most recent big test of opinion ( the last General Election) . But, you carry on...

No I wasn't around then, but don't let that stop you posting misinformation on comments I'm supposed to have made then according to you. How very SNP ish of you.

As for wishful thinking, I was referring to your repeated insistence ( again how very SNP NLP of you) people would opt for Independence rather than see another Conservative governemnt.

Despite the fact Scotland has a devolved government with more powers coming, over most areas. Never enough for SNP, but no excuse for not using what they have.

Maybe Id be more persuaded if you could just persuade all your SNP voters to vote Yes as your mate on WOS suggested recently. Then SNP/Yes campaigners wouldn't need to trawl round the easy targets in the deprived housing estates misleading the people who will endure the hardships of Scotlands vainglorious Darien project part 2.

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

He'd be an undecided now, and that's only 14 months after being the most staunch unionist I know. Another five years of the Conservatives in power with no sign of a Labour revival ( he thinks Corbyn is a coward ).. would push him Yes I think. He's 65.

For a lot of older Labour voters 'down the bowling club ' ( most of them ex-steelworkers and car workers around here).. it was Salmond that was the main sticking point. He'd been around for a very long time and there was a lot of negative feeling about him, and 1979 ( Tartan Tories ? ) about. That's why Labour concentrated so much of their campaign negatively around him during the referendum. Sturgeon to an extent has removed most of that. He quite likes her.

But his views have definitely shifted. Not that we discuss politics all the time though !

As have mine, I'm voting Conservative at H/R this year and I'm not alone.

Mistermeaner

Independence would be awful for Scotland: fact

Independence is popular in Scotland: fact

The 2 do not counter each other in a discussion.

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Independence is being normalised. It's becoming a commonly held and valid view in Scotland. As opposed to the loony SNP, their 6 Westminster seats and with their 25% support for independence in 2011. It's hitting 50% now. I can't see a way back ( imo ) apart from Labour winning Westminster again.

Nope.
Voting for the SNP is being normalised and nothing more than that can be claimed at this stage, certainly not independence.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

elantan wrote: »

I'm loving how yesterday's anti snp rant from the British Nats was about a pair of wellies ams a jacket ... priceless stuff from a telegraph journalist ... priceless

Sturgeon is paid £130,000 a year (plus expenses) of taxpayers money, if you lot were nice enough to give me that sort of cash, I'd probably wear expensive wellies and jackets as well to be fair.

Albeit, if Cameron had been the one seen wearing a pair of boots and jacket to a flood site that cost more than 5 weeks jobseekers allowance, the cybernats would no doubt be screaming about "Tory Toffs".

The part the media should have focused on was the flood relief funds announcement.

The £16m that Swinnney and Sturgeon were so keen to play up as being Scottish government support for the victims was no such thing.

It was almost all paid through Barnett consequentials from the UK government as a result of the additional flood spending across the UK. Money that would not have been available to an indy Scotland.

elantan

Hmmmm does it make a difference the jacket was given to her two years ago I wonder ... I don't see any Scot Nats talking about what anyone else wears... please correct me if I am wrong though ? I do also remember the obsession with a coffee maker that Nicola experienced ....

I do agree the talk should be about the floods and what will be done to try and stop it again, and sorting the mess that some people are having to live in... it was pointed out in Scotland the people are getting £1500 a head compared to England with £500 a head ... why have WM chosen to only give the English flood victims £500?

That's unfair to those down south suffering, when are the people of England going to stand up to the poor decisions made on their behalf I wonder

.string.

elantan wrote: »

Hmmmm does it make a difference the jacket was given to her two years ago I wonder ... I don't see any Scot Nats talking about what anyone else wears... please correct me if I am wrong though ? I do also remember the obsession with a coffee maker that Nicola experienced ....

I do agree the talk should be about the floods and what will be done to try and stop it again, and sorting the mess that some people are having to live in... it was pointed out in Scotland the people are getting £1500 a head compared to England with £500 a head ... why have WM chosen to only give the English flood victims £500?

That's unfair to those down south suffering, when are the people of England going to stand up to the poor decisions made on their behalf I wonder

Can you give a link for the figure of £500 for England please.

Generali

elantan wrote: »

Hmmmm does it make a difference the jacket was given to her two years ago I wonder ... I don't see any Scot Nats talking about what anyone else wears... please correct me if I am wrong though ? I do also remember the obsession with a coffee maker that Nicola experienced ....

I do agree the talk should be about the floods and what will be done to try and stop it again, and sorting the mess that some people are having to live in... it was pointed out in Scotland the people are getting £1500 a head compared to England with £500 a head ... why have WM chosen to only give the English flood victims £500?

That's unfair to those down south suffering, when are the people of England going to stand up to the poor decisions made on their behalf I wonder

Because most revenue made available to be spent in Scotland is based on the Barnett Formula rather than on the needs of Scots. As a result, Scottish people end up getting far more money than impoverished Londoners despite London as a whole providing billions more into the pot than they receive.

Of course 'when' Scotland is independent you won't need to worry about such disparities. The main problem for the Scottish Government is 'going' to be deciding whether they get rid of the NHS or the welfare state. 'Once' Londoners aren't paying the bills the Scots can't.

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

Hmmmm does it make a difference the jacket was given to her two years ago I wonder ... I don't see any Scot Nats talking about what anyone else wears... please correct me if I am wrong though ? I do also remember the obsession with a coffee maker that Nicola experienced ....

I do agree the talk should be about the floods and what will be done to try and stop it again, and sorting the mess that some people are having to live in... it was pointed out in Scotland the people are getting £1500 a head compared to England with £500 a head ... why have WM chosen to only give the English flood victims £500?

That's unfair to those down south suffering, when are the people of England going to stand up to the poor decisions made on their behalf I wonder

with all those thousands of posts, you still don't understand how Scotland is financed

however you (probably) will learn, soon enough

dktreesea

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Independence would be awful for Scotland: fact

Independence is popular in Scotland: fact

The 2 do not counter each other in a discussion.

Independence would be awful for Scotland is not a fact - it's just your opinion.

As to whether it is popular in Scotland, given hardly any of the regional areas in Scotland had a majority vote for it last time around, I conclude half the electorate support independence and half don't.