Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

elantan

We've done policies to death, your incapable of listening, so I get to have fun ... And popcorn , remember the popcorn

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

We've done policies to death, your incapable of listening, so I get to have fun ... And popcorn , remember the popcorn

what policies have you ever discussed?

let's try what you think 'a fairer' society means

or the SNP alternative to 'austerity ' actually means

or even a more 'progressive ' society means

elantan

You keep confusing me with the SNP ... Why is that ?

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Yes, I think it's crunch time for Milliband. He's under a lot of pressure from his Scottish MP's to rule out a pact. His UK MP's not so much. Whatever he does is risky.
out.

Yes he's in a double bind with this. It's ironic after years of Labour anti Tory sound bites , that the for the first time he might be depending on Scottish seats , the voters don't appear to be listening.

But as it only took 2 years of SNP anti Tory, anti Labour anti anything but SNP sound bites to persuade huge numbers of them, it should be just as easy to turn people round.

A lot will depend on whether SNP can continue to keep the many different camps of their new voters happy, particularly with freebies. And thousands of them now have very high expectations . Even with the extra funds allocated to Scotland , SNP aren't managing to balance the books and if Nanny doesn't get her extra anti austerity funding she's going to struggle to keep them happy.

Then of course there's the new tax rates and replacement council tax policy to come, not to mention their big brother approach with child guardians etc. Not all of their new polices are, or will go down so well. The price of having more responsibility.

What goes around comes around, seen it all before. It's just going to be a question of time, and whether there is enough of it left.

skintmacflint

elantan wrote: »

Aye i was quite impressed with Ruth myself tbh, n

Yes she's coming along very nicely. She just needs to build a bit more confidence. It's not easy being a Tory in Scotland. When she's ready she should take a leaf out of Salmonds book and choose her moment for more recognition.

But I think if Scotland is ever to be a progressive enlightened country it has to let go of this Anti Tory sound bite, as the record has worn thin. It was 30 years ago and the experience wasn't unique to Scotland.

The world and outlook has moved on, meanwhile Scotland seems stuck in some sort of time warp. It's not a good image and not one which should be worn as some sort of badge of pride. All it shows is a tendency for dogmatic grudge and grievance.

elantan

I absolutely agree, I think Ruth has a very good future in Scottish politics, and really wish that the portion of Scots that hate Tories would get over it

Generali

CLAPTON wrote: »

what policies have you ever discussed?

let's try what you think 'a fairer' society means

or the SNP alternative to 'austerity ' actually means

or even a more 'progressive ' society means

The SNP alternative to austerity seems to be to force the English to bankrupt themselves so they get more cash to buy votes with due to the Barnett Formula, an idea that I believe will last exactly 1 period of any coalition including the SNP.

.string.

Generali wrote: »

The SNP alternative to austerity seems to be to force the English to bankrupt themselves so they get more cash to buy votes with due to the Barnett Formula, an idea that I believe will last exactly 1 period of any coalition including the SNP.

Yup - see point 6 in the SNP Master Plan (Post 840).


All of this has become very obvious and only the most naive and SNIP-centric would think that the SNP contribution to the UK Parliament would be of any value to either the UK or Scotland specifically. A poisoned chalice of a party.

The SNP are in the process of very carefully (and gleefully) shooting themselves in both feet. However many MPs they get, their actions in the Commons and "off piste" will be scrutinised with some enthusiasm and they can expect bad press from practically every newspaper.

zagubov

.string. wrote: »

Yup - see point 6 in the SNP Master Plan (Post 840).


All of this has become very obvious and only the most naive and SNIP-centric would think that the SNP contribution to the UK Parliament would be of any value to either the UK or Scotland specifically. A poisoned chalice of a party.

The SNP are in the process of very carefully (and gleefully) shooting themselves in both feet. However many MPs they get, their actions in the Commons and "off piste" will be scrutinised with some enthusiasm and they can expect bad press from practically every newspaper.

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What do you mean by "will"? Even the Guardian hates them. The ironically named Independent hates them. The dysfunctionally one-sided array of dead tree media pretending to serve Scottish readers hates them. You're describing the current state of play.

Bit awkward that the unionist parties must have expected that the SNP would engage with Westminster and use it to their advantage. Those parties don't seem to have thought through what that would mean.

CLAPTON

zagubov wrote: »

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What do you mean by "will"? Even the Guardian hates them. The ironically named Independent hates them. The dysfunctionally one-sided array of dead tree media pretending to serve Scottish readers hates them. You're describing the current state of play.

Bit awkward that the unionist parties must have expected that the SNP would engage with Westminster and use it to their advantage. Those parties don't seem to have thought through what that would mean.

It's more likely that the unionist parties have been surprised that the voters of Scotland rejected the back up of the union when given a clear referendum but seem to be intent on voting overwelmingly for a separatist party at the general election.

Indeed an interesting and somewhat puzzling situation.