Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

kabayiri

Take 2 alternative election scenarios :-

a) Scotland votes reflected in parliamentary seats bolster Labour to an election victory. They adopt a generous spending policy and this in turn means more protection for things which are valued by the SNP (Health Service, education).

b) Scotland votes for majority SNP, in the process decimating the Labour vote, leading to a Conservative win. The Conservatives implement tough financial medicine, and the cuts bite hard in many places including Scotland.

Personally, I think only the Tories will take the hard decisions we need to mend our economy. I guess option b) is the one that works for me.

elantan

ramorth wrote: »

Try again, Ruth is Tory MSP, who so happened to oppose independence,

Aye i was quite impressed with Ruth myself tbh, Clapton sorry to burst yer bubble mate, you must've thought that your opinion was a given

elantan

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Ruth was good on the NHS. Humza and Val were good at the pro-SNP/ progressive/left stuff. Tony ( Spectator editor can't remember his last name )... was good at spouting right wing newspaper soundbites... and Kezia was all in all, a bit of a panicy looking car crash. Danny Alexander didn't come across as good or bad. Just bland.. and very deluded about his chances of hanging onto his seat.

Thanks for the popcorn !

I also liked the way Ruth didnt try and get any votes but said she believed people should vote for who they want ...

and your very welcome for the popcorn

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

Aye i was quite impressed with Ruth myself tbh, Clapton sorry to burst yer bubble mate, you must've thought that your opinion was a given

my substantive point was well made
as was my point about the corrupt Barnett formula and the morally corrupt people that support it.

elantan

CLAPTON wrote: »

my substantive point was well made
as was my point about the corrupt Barnett formula and the morally corrupt people that support it.

uh huh ... ah bahleieve ya ... in your own wee world maybe

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

uh huh ... ah bahleieve ya ... in your own wee world maybe

any trivia is better than serious discussion of substantial issues like Barnett formula and other funding of the 'fairer' and 'more progressive' society?

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

In today's Times it is stated that Miliband is thinking of making a formal statement ruling out a post election pact with the SNP.

At the moment I'd put that in the realm of gossip but if it's true I would welcome it; it would certainly remove one of the barriers to me voting for Labour.

Yes, I think it's crunch time for Milliband. He's under a lot of pressure from his Scottish MP's to rule out a pact. His UK MP's not so much. Whatever he does is risky.

If he rules out a pact, then he's in essence giving up on Scotland in terms of this election. In the vain hope that some Sept Labour Yes voters will be swayed back in fear of the Tories. There is very little sign of that happening so far. Nor that anything actually will sway them.

There is also the distinct danger that in ruling out a pact before the election, that it does actually let the Tories regain power, while Labour sit idly back and let it happen. That will not go down at all well for those Labour voters who do stick by them in Scotland. And will do great damage for the forseeable future.

Not ruling out a pact will of course risk the wrath of voters down south like yourself.

The Green Party has, on the other hand, stated they may ally with the SNP to form a "Progressive Alliance", although I have no idea what is the new meaning of Progressive.

Green and Plaid allied themselves with the SNP some time ago.

Tuesday 16 December 2014 12.10 GMT

The Scottish National party, Wales’s Plaid Cymru and the Green party have said they plan to unite wherever possible to combat the austerity policies of the three mainstream political parties.
At a meeting to discuss the possibility of a future coalition government after the general election in 2015, the three party leaders – the SNP’s Nicola Sturgeon, the Green party’s Natalie Bennett and Plaid Cymru’s Leanne Wood – said the next general election would be an opportunity to change politics and “battle the Westminster parties’ obsession with austerity”.
All three parties have previously said they would consider going into government together and none have ruled out a coalition with Labour, though all have ruled out forming a coalition with the Conservative party.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/16/snp-plaid-cymru-greens-join-forces-austerity-election

But anyway, will see which way Milliband jumps. It may indeed be time for him to give up completely on Scottish seats.. and concentrate fully instead on winning seats down south, winning the election that way ( instead of the usual depending on Scottish MP's for a chunk of them ).. He can only do that by ruling a pact out.

ukcarper

kabayiri wrote: »

Take 2 alternative election scenarios :-

a) Scotland votes reflected in parliamentary seats bolster Labour to an election victory. They adopt a generous spending policy and this in turn means more protection for things which are valued by the SNP (Health Service, education).

b) Scotland votes for majority SNP, in the process decimating the Labour vote, leading to a Conservative win. The Conservatives implement tough financial medicine, and the cuts bite hard in many places including Scotland.

Personally, I think only the Tories will take the hard decisions we need to mend our economy. I guess option b) is the one that works for me.

What happens if Labour and SNP have more seats than everybody else put together but don't form a pack and Tories are largest party.

elantan

CLAPTON wrote: »

any trivia is better than serious discussion of substantial issues like Barnett formula and other funding of the 'fairer' and 'more progressive' society?

Nope more of a recognition that you do not have a clue about what your talking about

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

Nope more of a recognition that you do not have a clue about what your talking about

so any trivia to avoid discussing substantial issue like the funding of alternatives to austerity, what 'fairer' and 'more progressive' mean and the corruption of the Barnett formula

better to discuss the personalities and electoral alliances than actual policies