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Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies
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Even Blair admits that his invasion of Iraq helped create ISIS.
Then target Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar as they're the ones sponsoring this extreme form of islam all over the world and they're the paymasters for ISIL and other terrorist groups. Oh, but they're our pals, so lets drop bombs on an already bombed out country instead.
Are you saying you are in favour of attacking Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar or simply making a rhetorical point?0 -
Are you saying you are in favour of attacking Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar or simply making a rhetorical point?
Hamish said he was in favour of "targeting the organisations that are slaughtering our citizens in acts of terrorism around the World, attempting to kill us here at home, and attacking our European allies". I merely pointed out who these organisations were.0 -
Today's news:
Airstrike hits Syrian Water Plant affecting 3.5m
Syrian & Russian press condemn UK airstrikes
UK used Paveways not Brimstones
That'll be another 20,000 terrorists just made for ISIS
Well done WM ...
Wonder how many innocents will die today
Just to be clear this happened last week, before we became involved. There is no evidence as to who was responsible and it could easily have been Syrian or Russian air strikes.If I don't reply to your post,
you're probably on my ignore list.0 -
Hamish said he was in favour of "targeting the organisations that are slaughtering our citizens in acts of terrorism around the World, attempting to kill us here at home, and attacking our European allies". I merely pointed out who these organisations were.
indeed so
we are all good at pointing out the inconsistencies of our co-debaters, however I was asking what you actually support given the situation we are in today.0 -
Even Blair admits that his invasion of Iraq helped create ISIS.
I said special forces raids not an invasion.
I will agree that the invasion of Iraq, and more relevantly the complete lack of effective nation building afterwards, left a power vacuum that ISIS filled.
But that power vacuum already exists and so we can't exactly create another one...Then target Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar as they're the ones sponsoring this extreme form of islam all over the world and they're the paymasters for ISIL and other terrorist groups. Oh, but they're our pals, so lets drop bombs on an already bombed out country instead.
Daesh are not an extreme form of Islam, they are a warped and twisted ideology, a death cult.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
indeed so
we are all good at pointing out the inconsistencies of our co-debaters, however I was asking what you actually support given the situation we are in today.
I think we should be honest and accept we are facing Guerrilla warfare.
Different tactics have been employed before, with limited success.
In the Soviet war in Afghanistan the Soviets pursued a scorched earth policy. Who is to say the Russians won't try this again?0 -
Airstrike hits Syrian Water Plant affecting 3.5m
Last week before UK strikes commenced.Syrian & Russian press condemn UK airstrikes
Quelle SurpriseUK used Paveways not Brimstones
Of course.
It was an oil well in the middle of the desert.
Not a target in a built up area.That'll be another 20,000 terrorists just made for ISIS
Well done WM ...
Drivel.Wonder how many innocents will die today
Daesh are killing around 2000 people a day.
So a lot I'd imagine.
I wonder how many innocents are being saved by Britain and her allies targeting Daesh?“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
indeed so
we are all good at pointing out the inconsistencies of our co-debaters, however I was asking what you actually support given the situation we are in today.
The 'situation we are in today' was caused by military intervention and interfering in the sovereignty of other countries and helping to destabilise them. Not doing that would be step 1.
It's disingenuous for the Tory and Labour right to turn on Corbyn and say that his policies won't work on a terrorist regime that was created by their policies. Had the likes of Corbyn been in power instead of Tony Blair then we wouldn't have invaded Iraq, wouldn't have helped destablised Libya and the world would have been a different place.
We keep using military might to solve problems and we keep failing. Why not at least try and use a different approach?0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Daesh are not an extreme form of Islam, they are a warped and twisted ideology, a death cult.
http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2014/11/wahhabism-isis-how-saudi-arabia-exported-main-source-global-terrorism
"Although IS is certainly an Islamic movement, it is neither typical nor mired in the distant past, because its roots are in Wahhabism, a form of Islam practised in Saudi Arabia that developed only in the 18th century."
"A survey of those Saudi men who volunteered for Afghanistan and who later fought in Bosnia and Chechnya or trained in al-Qaeda camps has found that most were motivated not by hatred of the west but by the desire to help their Muslim brothers and sisters – in rather the same way as men from all over Europe left home in 1938 to fight the Fascists in Spain, and as Jews from all over the diaspora hastened to Israel at the beginning of the Six Day War in 1967. "0 -
Ssshhhh. We are not supposed to suggest that religion is bad in these PC days.
This is despite religion being at the root of so many of the conflicts during the world's history.
Some of these religious conflicts predate Islam by hundreds of years.0
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