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Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies
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Are you OK with British boots on the ground?
Yes, particularly special forces raids, which I believe would be most effective in destroying Daesh capabilities and targeting their leadership structure with virtually no collateral damage and a minimum propaganda opportunity for the terrorists.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
how is trying to defeat ISIL, inflaming the situation?
Depends on how you try. If an enemy that is embedded within a civilian populace, then trying to defeat them by dropping bombs will inflame the situation. The IRA terrorists hid among the civilian population of NI and no one thought it was a great idea to defeat them by dropping bombs.0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Yes, particularly special forces raids, which I believe would be most effective in destroying Daesh capabilities and targeting their leadership structure with virtually no collateral damage and a minimum propaganda opportunity for the terrorists.
Didn't we try this once or twice before in Iraq, with the consequence that we were seen as crusaders and ended up actually helping to create ISIS?
Out of interest, should the UK get involved militarily in every regional dispute, or just ones where we're in danger of losing influence to Russia?0 -
I remember the good old days when Iraq was busy fighting Iran, and Iran was busy fighting Iraq, and they were both aggressive towards Israel and vice versa.
I treat the whole region as a lost cause frankly. It's full of nomadic tribes; there are different flavours of their chosen religion.
There will be some other group of nutjobs coming along in the near future to replace the current lot, no doubt.
It doesn't help that European imperialists drew all the borders in the Middle East (and Africa) that cut across tribal and religious boundaries, helping to create all of the conflict in those countries.0 -
Didn't we try this once or twice before in Iraq, with the consequence that we were seen as crusaders and ended up actually helping to create ISIS?
No.Out of interest, should the UK get involved militarily in every regional dispute, or just ones where we're in danger of losing influence to Russia?
A good place to start would be targeting the organisations that are slaughtering our citizens in acts of terrorism around the World, attempting to kill us here at home, and attacking our European allies.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »No.
Even Blair admits that his invasion of Iraq helped create ISIS.HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »
A good place to start would be targeting the organisations that are slaughtering our citizens in acts of terrorism around the World, attempting to kill us here at home, and attacking our European allies.
Then target Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar as they're the ones sponsoring this extreme form of islam all over the world and they're the paymasters for ISIL and other terrorist groups. Oh, but they're our pals, so lets drop bombs on an already bombed out country instead.0 -
I am a skeptic of the effectiveness of air support but civilian deaths will occur whether we extend bombing or withdraw completely.
However there is a role in selective bombing to help prevent further expansion of ISIL territory, to kill their leadership, to knock out their oil fields, to prevent ISIL build up of forces and equipment and also to support opposition forces.
Not perfect of course, but I wouldn't consider it inflaming the situation.0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »...
A good place to start would be targeting the organisations that are slaughtering our citizens in acts of terrorism around the World, attempting to kill us here at home, and attacking our European allies.
A better place to start is to ban religion.
It's not clever, and it's not funny.
If grown men want to wear silly frocks and go around spouting nonsense there is always the Panto season.0 -
Today's news:
Airstrike hits Syrian Water Plant affecting 3.5m
Syrian & Russian press condemn UK airstrikes
UK used Paveways not Brimstones
That'll be another 20,000 terrorists just made for ISIS
Well done WM ...
Wonder how many innocents will die today0 -
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Then target Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar as they're the ones sponsoring this extreme form of islam all over the world and they're the paymasters for ISIL and other terrorist groups. Oh, but they're our pals, so lets drop bombs on an already bombed out country instead.
They are only our pals because they have some black stuff we want, and they are happy to buy overpriced football clubs.
At current oil price levels, a country like Saudi is living on borrowed time.
If only some global conflict would shove up oil prices...0
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