Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Standing on a soap box repeating the same mantra endlessly will switch people off. You really need to come up with something fresh. Or the electorate will simply drift away. Negative campaigning has to become positive at some point. Which is precisely the hole Labour have dug for themselves. No vision to sell.

The SNP are often criticised for focusing solely on positive campaigning tactics during elections. Some of us really want them to show some teeth occasionally. But it seems to be working.

Contrast the SNP campaign with those undertaken by the other parties. Every aspect of the SNP’s campaign was positive. Not just in message, but in delivery too: whether it was spoken, published, broadcast, tweeted or blogged.

http://coragency.com/what-marketers-can-learn-from-the-snp-election-victory

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

A '50/50' chance of tax rises and spending cuts.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/74ef9e7e-93d1-11e5-bd82-c1fb87bef7af.html#axzz3t5U5UCAr

The Scotland Bill and 'further powers'.http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14094201.Scotland__could_lose_billion_under_Cameron_devolution_plan_/

Risky either way. Then there's the more political issues of Trident, an EU vote and another war in the middle east. Low earning families are still going to be hit hard when universal credits roll out.

Concentrating the entire argument for independence in terms of a ( hotly disputed ) balance sheet is all very well and good. But it ignores ( Scottish ) public opinion and perceptions. Many, including former staunch Labour/No voters, as we're beginning to see, may well conclude that Osborne's fiscal policies are a step too far to be worth continuing within the UK for.

Those Labour/No voters are all that are need to swing the polls independence wise. Very few of them will see the point in remaining within a Tory dominated UK for the next decade. No economic balance sheet in the world is going to change that. Scottish Labour and Lib Dems are already softening. Perhaps another Labour leader will help swing things back... but mabye not. Because if they're perceived once again as 'Tory lite' as Milliband was.. they'll crash and burn in Scotland once again at the next elections.

( Hamish this reply is to your post also ).

You should at the very least be aware that you are being sold independence on the back of a lie. The Scottish Government, under current tax and spend commitments, is almost certainly isn't solvent unless you are happy to argue that 20% of taxes have simply gone missing somewhere.

If Scottish people want independence then ultimately they will get it. I doubt that they want years or (more likely) decades of cuts with no financial benefit. The Tories are cutting to shift the economy towards the private sector, Scotland would be cutting to stop going bust.

Mistermeaner

Yes but look at the polls.

Mistermeaner

Shakey; question:

I think it was you who chucked Denmark on the table when I challenged how iscotland would be better off without rouk - I think you then left poor old economically illiterate (put politically engaged) leanne to try and defend the position on how scotland would be like Denmark. The conclusion I think was that it couldn't and if it was noone would vote for it.

Could you please explain to me again how iscotland with its 5mil population would eventually look economically (in your view), how it would transition there (and in what time frame) . I'm dying to know what this 'better alone' country looks like.

I presume you'll give full consideration to its economic fundamentals; currency, eu, borrowing, taxation, public sector spending, private sector structure, pension, benefits, welfare, health etc. Also I guess particularly border control (physical and fiscal) as you wouldn't want people hopping the wall exploiting any arbitrage?

Mistermeaner

2nd question: does all the newly engaged social mediaesque Twitter storm of support that follows the snp engage in in-depth discussion regards the future of their independent country from a fiscal/economic/social perspective and discuss the transition plan and stages the process will go through.

Or do they jump on the issue of the day and snipe about minor irrelevance?

elantan

To answer the second question ... most deff ... there are debating groups all over the place now


The standard is quite high

Mistermeaner

elantan wrote: »

To answer the second question ... most deff ... there are debating groups all over the place now


The standard is quite high

So which end result and transition plan are you currently favouring?

Feel free to set out more than one if you are undecided

Mistermeaner

I guess for each the various end states that are under consideration there must be multiple transition plans that take account of the various variables as well: direct indi stuff such as debt levels, currency, eu membership etc and then also the macro stuff like global growth, oil price, etc etc

I'm waiting to be enlightened because right now I feel pretty thick as I can't understand any of the support fir independence.

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Concentrating the entire argument for independence in terms of a ( hotly disputed ) balance sheet is all very well and good. But it ignores ( Scottish ) public opinion and perceptions. Many, including former staunch Labour/No voters, as we're beginning to see, may well conclude that Osborne's fiscal policies are a step too far to be worth continuing within the UK for.

Those Labour/No voters are all that are need to swing the polls independence wise. Very few of them will see the point in remaining within a Tory dominated UK for the next decade. No economic balance sheet in the world is going to change that.

You keep on peddling the "Scots hate Tories, ergo independence follows" theory. I think it's more case of "Scots drip incessantly about Tories, but choose to keep the English money anyway" that's at work in Scotland.

elantan

Ohhh there are many options ... but I ain't campaigning remember