Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Mistermeaner

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Any idea what the average wage is in Denmark? I've just read an article that a McDonald's worker earns around $45,000. Compare that with salary here & excellent healthcare and education in Denmark. It's all relative isn't it? For all the negatives you post here is the flip side.

How economically illiterate are you?

Your answer to fit iscotland with the Denmark model is that Mc jobs should pay huge wages?

Where will Scotland's income come from then? Who will buy your exports? Who in their right mind would buy stuff there? You would end up printing money (which incidentally you couldn't do with the pound)

How much will you be able to import with your worthless currency?

Is your 5mil strong nation going to be totally self sufficient?

Is your hugely needy population going to spring into entrepreneurial action and become the world leader in..... ermmmmmm.... moaning?

Illiterate and frankly dangerous. This is the problem with democracy - the opinion of the ignorant is equal to that of the informed.


The snp are truly irresponsible power hungry manipulators and so many fools are falling for it


Och aye

WannaBLoaded

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The SNP got where they are with a gradualist approach. A little at a time. It's snowballed recently.

Yes, very gradual. Just like all fringe parties. They only ever come to heights at a time when the majority of voters are disenchanted with how the country his being run and how much money they have in their pockets. UKIP have snow balled too, and the green party. You could say it is mostly protest votes where people think 'it can't get any worse'.

Oil prices aren't enough on their own to remain in the UK for just about 50% of the country's voters already ?

4 million people voted for a man whose only policy is to get Britain out of the EU. You can't use that logic, it is false logic. The snp propaganda is the reason they have managed to avoid taking on the criticism that should be coming towards them, alex salmonds oil predictions were a big part of the scottish economic plans. All of which would have left you bankrupt.

The next push for a referendum will either come from the EU ref, or more likely, another Conservative government installed at Westminster in 2020 especially if Labour collapses both UK wise, and the Scottish Holyrood party too... Oil prices won't figure in either. If they do go up, then yes, that'll be another trigger.

Push all you like, david cameron told you clearly it was a once in a generation thing. AKA a minimum of 100 years. Bet you as much as you like tories being re-elected in 2020 (which they will because the economy is on the mend and labour have turned all weird) that it does not trigger a scot referendum.

Generali

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Do you have a link for these stats please Hamish? I'd like to investigate further.

In my opinion the economic case was the decider and why Yes did lose. However, for many of us we remain unconvinced that it would be dire like you state as there is not one single article or paper published that gives transparency regarding our finances.

You can quote GERS if you like but this can be manipulated to suit as I'm sure you've experienced.

Regardless of the actual predicted figures, and we all know how good economic models are, do you think that slashing state spending while increasing taxes would be:

1. Beneficial to the Scottish economy
2. Detrimental to the Scottish economy
...?

I guess 2.

The levels of cuts required would be horrible. Even if GERS is massively wrong and state spending needs to be cut by 'only' 10% then that's about 8-15% of GDP gone in an instant. That's basically the same as happened to Greece in the early years of austerity.

What would you cut to reduce state spending by 10-20%. Trident would be a start but that's a drop in the ocean compared to what's needed.

Leanne1812

Mistermeaner wrote: »

How economically illiterate are you?

Your answer to fit iscotland with the Denmark model is that Mc jobs should pay huge wages?

Where will Scotland's income come from then? Who will buy your exports? Who in their right mind would buy stuff there? You would end up printing money (which incidentally you couldn't do with the pound)

How much will you be able to import with your worthless currency?

Is your 5mil strong nation going to be totally self sufficient?

Is your hugely needy population going to spring into entrepreneurial action and become the world leader in..... ermmmmmm.... moaning?

Illiterate and frankly dangerous. This is the problem with democracy - the opinion of the ignorant is equal to that of the informed.


The snp are truly irresponsible power hungry manipulators and so many fools are falling for it


Och aye

Maybe try to read what I've actually written and breathe a little.......

I was responding to Hamish's post of the high taxation disastrous Danish model.

I used the McDonald's salary as an example of to show its not all doom & gloom. Relative, I believe I said. Take a moment to digest if you need to.

Who would buy our products? Who would buy our exports? Seriously? I must of forgot we are wholly & entirely subsidised.......geez oh.....makes me despair at the ignorance & arrogance of some.

The rest of your rant is not worthy of response.

kabayiri

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Any idea what the average wage is in Denmark? I've just read an article that a McDonald's worker earns around $45,000. Compare that with salary here & excellent healthcare and education in Denmark. It's all relative isn't it? For all the negatives you post here is the flip side.

Based on knowledge of a company which operates in both Denmark and UK I'd say the differential is not that high.

It really is a different model over there; it would take quite a few years to work towards that kind of society.

Take car ownership, as has been pointed out. Even people in decent managerial positions in Denmark often have modest cars, and having just one car in the household is not unusual. Would Scottish people who are successful accept this, or just look for a job with an English based company?

Having a major car exporter on their doorstep is no help because of the import tariffs which make cars expensive.

I'm not sure how easy it would be to change the whole Scottish economic model alongside competing with rUK for business.

It would be interesting to observe though

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

OBR ? Ian ( Fracking ) Wood ? Enough said. Everyone got the oil prices wrong. So everyone must've been lying by your own argument.

Oh dear, I have to spell out the (what should have been) obvious even to you. It probably was, but the temptation of yet another irrelevant deflection was too tempting no doubt.

The article I linked to was published during the referendum campaign and reflected the common knowledge of the time that income from oil was on a downward spiral; so after the period when prices expected to remain high.

But did the SNP issue a revision of the White Paper on that point? There was plenty of time to do that.

Did they inform the Scottish people about the developing situation? Oh no, they didn't want to have a blemish on the fairy tale.

Instead they denied true and self-evident economic facts (see Salmond's remarks I quoted.

So they hid the truth and based their campaign on a lie.

That is exactly what is still going on with the SNP and their collective; the lies and misrepresentations continue. Valid economically are pushed side with cautious argument and disdain for anyone who voices them.

Leanne1812

kabayiri wrote: »

Based on knowledge of a company which operates in both Denmark and UK I'd say the differential is not that high.

It really is a different model over there; it would take quite a few years to work towards that kind of society.

Take car ownership, as has been pointed out. Even people in decent managerial positions in Denmark often have modest cars, and having just one car in the household is not unusual. Would Scottish people who are successful accept this, or just look for a job with an English based company?

Having a major car exporter on their doorstep is no help because of the import tariffs which make cars expensive.

I'm not sure how easy it would be to change the whole Scottish economic model alongside competing with rUK for business.

It would be interesting to observe though

I can only state the article I read ( I'll try and find it and link if you'd like to read) I just wanted to hi-light the other side to what Hamish posted.

When you speak of what car we might drive or only having one car I can't answer for other people. Maybe what kind of society I wanted to aim for, or hope for trumps the small stuff like that. I'm only speaking for myself here.

elantan

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Generali

Leanne1812 wrote: »

I can only state the article I read ( I'll try and find it and link if you'd like to read) I just wanted to hi-light the other side to what Hamish posted.

When you speak of what car we might drive or only having one car I can't answer for other people. Maybe what kind of society I wanted to aim for, or hope for trumps the small stuff like that. I'm only speaking for myself here.

If you trash your own economy so as to be free of English rule then the decisions will be about what to cut next.

Unless you think that turning down the massive subsidy from the English would be a good idea of course, economically speaking.

Leanne1812

Generali wrote: »

If you trash your own economy so as to be free of English rule then the decisions will be about what to cut next.

Unless you think that turning down the massive subsidy from the English would be a good idea of course, economically speaking.

You're making it sound very much like I want to be free of the nasty English again......not true as I've stated many times.

I know this is an economics forum and I'm open to listening and learning but there are two sides to the coin here. Those who believe Scotland is better in the union and those who don't. Those who believe the Scottish government/yes campaigns and those who believe the uk gov. I've still got no idea how much we are subsidised by. Does anyone? Can we see a cast iron figure of how much? If we can't get to the nitty gritty with that figure amongst all the other grey areas about uk & Scottish finances surely you can understand my unease about blindly accepting whatever I'm told.