Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

interesting

if each family is scotland lost the £3,000 per annum bonus from england, what is your guess about what would happen?
would they increases taxes and keep spending the same?
would they cut spending and keep tax the same ?
if they cut spending : what would they cut benefits, pensions, investment ?

what's your best guess ?: after all you are hoping and praying for the opportunity to implement your guesses.

Well just refuse to take any debt, since we won't have the £ and put that towards Scottish finances instead... ( please don't burst a blood vessel, I am winding you up.. ish ).

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Well just refuse to take any debt, since we won't have the £ and put that towards Scottish finances instead... ( please don't burst a blood vessel, I am winding you up.. ish ).

no, that's practically a certainty (as I've posted hundreds of times)

but even without any debt you would still be running a large budget deficit (i.e. spending more than you tax)

so the question stands what would you like to do?

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Pretty much what is happening in Westminster politics at the present time too in case you haven't noticed ? We have. At least with power at Holyrood they'd have a choice over where and what to cut. I reiterate, Conservative policies don't resonate well with Scottish voters. I also encompass that to mean Labour/Lib Dem's proposing what 'looks like' Conservative policies.... ( Goodbye 48 MP's !).

Given the 'choice' Holyrood might do things differently. Or not at all, or faster, or slower or invest in some areas, not invest in others etc etc.

That's not a pertinent response to what Generali and others were saying. You find all sorts of deflections to avoid responding directly to the economics of separation and their effect on Scottish lives.

zagubov

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

And as this was ignored the first time round, perhaps Shakey, Zag or elantan could explain what is so unique about Scotland that it wouldn't suffer the same fate as Catalonia...

With businesses and jobs flooding out the door, just as we were warned would happen here if indy became a realistic prospect.

As I recall those warnings were rubbished by the separatists at the time both here and in Spain, yet it's now happening to them exactly as predicted.


http://elpais.com/elpais/2015/11/23/inenglish/1448273581_496946.html

You make it sound like there's a strict choice between democracy or business.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

zagubov wrote: »

You make it sound like there's a strict choice between democracy or business.

And again you've ignored the facts in favour of an emotive straw man argument.

I'll ask again, perhaps you could explain what is so unique about Scotland that it wouldn't suffer the same fate as Catalonia...

With businesses and jobs flooding out the door, just as we were warned would happen here if indy became a realistic prospect.

As I recall those warnings were rubbished by the separatists at the time both here and in Spain, yet it's now happening to them exactly as predicted.

Why exactly is it worth losing so many jobs and so much prosperity?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Is the newspaper you lifted the stats from independence leaning or against ?

The newspaper prints statistics that are a matter of public record.

Attacking the source instead of addressing the facts only degrades your argument.

The facts are that this year alone 683 businesses worth a joint €1.5 billion have left Catalonia, but only 133 worth €615 million have arrived.

All the main Spanish business groups warned against independence and now that concrete steps are being taken to pursue it, they are leaving in droves, taking jobs and tax revenue with them.

Why is this worth it?

elantan

Would that be those jobs that were promised to be safe of we voted No ? Like the Steel works and HMRC etc ... vote Yes and they will go ... and yet they went anyway ?

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Well just refuse to take any debt, since we won't have the £ and put that towards Scottish finances instead... ( please don't burst a blood vessel, I am winding you up.. ish ).

No problem. England can put up toll booths on the motorways and charge for entry. Alternatively terminate rail services at Carlisle.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

So as it happens SNP politicians seem to get into all the same sorts of scandals as politicians of every other party.

I thought this was supposed to be a new kind of politics?

All squeaky clean and free of corruption?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

elantan wrote: »

Would that be those jobs that were promised to be safe of we voted No ? Like the Steel works and HMRC etc ... vote Yes and they will go ... and yet they went anyway ?

Really?

You think a Union politician gave cast iron guaranteed promises that there would never be any change to employment in Scotland in the event of a No vote?

No company would ever change, businesses would never evolve, some things closing and other things opening.

Fascinating...

Back to reality however, and what's happening in Spain after their move towards indy is catastrophic on a level Scotland has not experienced after our No vote.

Three times as many companies and jobs are leaving Catalonia as are arriving. Jobs and tax revenues are falling precipitously.

All the 'scaremongering' turned out to be 'reality' as the companies that warned against it are now packing up and leaving.

I suppose it could be worse.... They could also be heavily dependent on vanishing oil revenues to fund their welfare state.;)