Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

elantan

Yep they did ... sorry if you missed it all ... many of us didn't

Don't have any proof though as I dumped it all ... but it's there go and look for yourself

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

That's not a pertinent response to what Generali and others were saying. You find all sorts of deflections to avoid responding directly to the economics of separation and their effect on Scottish lives.

Well then. You go on arguing and condensing Scottish independence down to an economic basis and balance sheet basis if you wish. But at the same time, understand that for a lot of people in Scotland the politics is starting to eclipse the ( easily manipulated 'hey here's 27 billion we didn't have last month due to simple methodology changes' - OBR this week ).. economic case.

And understandably so. The magic money tree seems to be alive and well... as long as its the Tories doing the 'magic'. GERS uses a variety of different methodologies as well, as it happens.

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

The newspaper prints statistics that are a matter of public record.

Attacking the source instead of addressing the facts only degrades your argument.

The facts are that this year alone 683 businesses worth a joint €1.5 billion have left Catalonia, but only 133 worth €615 million have arrived.

All the main Spanish business groups warned against independence and now that concrete steps are being taken to pursue it, they are leaving in droves, taking jobs and tax revenue with them.

Why is this worth it?

Where are they a matter of public record ? You'll provide a link of course.

The source has freely admitted bias Hamish. So cannot be taken at its word anymore than WingsoverScotland can be. Spain has problems of it's own recession wise. I dare say there are a lot of businesses since 2012 going under or making huge cutbacks.. which might also count as 'moving'.

Why don't you tell us all which is which ?

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

So as it happens SNP politicians seem to get into all the same sorts of scandals as politicians of every other party.

I thought this was supposed to be a new kind of politics?

All squeaky clean and free of corruption?

Trial by innuendo and media. Tedious.

If you're out and out saying she stole the money and is therefore 'corrupt' and it's a big scandal. Then just say so. Are you ?

Otherwise, nope. WFI wasn't incorporated until March as a legal entity.. therefore a Paypal account HAS to be associated with a bank account. One of the founder members of the movement being the obvious account. She paid a 5 figure sum into WFI accounts in Sept.

It reeks to me of a balls up rather than corruption. Her lawyers are looking for WFI accounts and haven't had a reply as yet. Someone has made a mistake somewhere. It remains to be seen who it was. Or even if it was criminal in nature.

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Really?

You think a Union politician gave cast iron guaranteed promises that there would never be any change to employment in Scotland in the event of a No vote?

They did indeed Hamish. They gave cast iron 100% promises that jobs would be safe in shipbuilding and in the HMRC if there was a No vote. Wer'e only a year on for goodness sake. And you want us to go 'back to reality'... more like 'back to amnesia'. Sorry, all of this is on record and still very fresh in people's minds.

Voting No meant jobs would be kept. Apparently not though.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

No problem. England can put up toll booths on the motorways and charge for entry. Alternatively terminate rail services at Carlisle.

That'll happen anyway if English nationalism drags the UK out of the EU.. and the Scots aren't happy

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

While Thompson was accused of unethical practices. These accusations are of just plain theft. And I'm really struggling to believe that someone like McGarry would destroy her entire career nicking money from a PAYPAL account. It was McGarry that put forward the accounts to the Electoral Commission, which were all checked and found to be in good order.


Strange affair.

Your post above as far as I recall is the only one , which wrongly stated and suggested plain theft must have occurred. Nothing in the press stated or suggested this was theft. The fact the police were involved is in fact simply last resort standard procedure , for when a Treasurer fails despite repeated requests to provide full disclosure on the accounts. You even followed it with a defence of this MP , making your post even worse. Was very wrong of you to word your post in this manner.

So don't think you have any room to comment on Hamish or anyone else in regard to this situation. But that is just normal practice where your supercilious ( thanks string) posts on this thread are concerned. In my opinion. Lol.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

They did indeed Hamish. They gave cast iron 100% promises that jobs would be safe in shipbuilding and in the HMRC if there was a No vote. Wer'e only a year on for goodness sake. And you want us to go 'back to reality'... more like 'back to amnesia'. Sorry, all of this is on record and still very fresh in people's minds.

Voting No meant jobs would be kept. Apparently not though.

Sounds good to me although unbelieveably stupid


Scotland can fight for jobs in dying industries and all new jobs in future industry can go down south.
Scotland becomes a quaint museum.

You wouldn't wish it on an enemy

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Shakethedisease wrote: »

They gave cast iron 100% promises that jobs would be safe in shipbuilding and in the HMRC if there was a No vote.

Voting No meant jobs would be kept. Apparently not though.

The images from`Wings over Scotland' that you posted do not contain any cast iron 100% promise that there would never be any change to jobs.

For both those examples...

1) Shipbuilding - It is 100% guaranteed that UK naval ships would not have been built on the Clyde if Scotland went indy. As we voted No orders have since been confirmed for new ships, saving many jobs.

2) HMRC - It is 100% guaranteed that UK offices for HMRC would not be in Scotland if we voted for Indy. Since the No vote a reorganisation has been announced that would move most of the Scottish local office jobs to the two new regional hubs in Edinburgh and Glasgow. There will be some cost savings over time, but the vast majority of the jobs will remain.

In the case of Cumbernauld, that you highlighted, this means staff will move a whopping 20 miles down the road - hardly an issue worth getting worked up about.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

.string. wrote: »

That's not a pertinent response to what Generali and others were saying. You find all sorts of deflections to avoid responding directly to the economics of separation and their effect on Scottish lives.

Well then. You go on arguing and condensing Scottish independence down to an economic basis and balance sheet basis if you wish. But at the same time, understand that for a lot of people in Scotland the politics is starting to eclipse the ( easily manipulated 'hey here's 27 billion we didn't have last month due to simple methodology changes' - OBR this week ).. economic case.

And understandably so. The magic money tree seems to be alive and well... as long as its the Tories doing the 'magic'. GERS uses a variety of different methodologies as well, as it happens.

Your post seems a characature of your self, dismissing the economics as secondary (an implicit acknowledgment that the Natland economy would be in dire straights) coupled with a nonsensical deflection based on an irrelevancy.

Then there was a display if venal humour.

There may be some who regard separation as a goal worth any price, but there are many more I suspect who care about the standard of living that they and their families would have in Natland. All the time the SNP has as if we two major policies;
Stir up emnity between Scots and the UK
and
oide the economic facts of life from the Scots

Whatever the tunnel vision that inspires you and other SNP followers to think like lemmings, it that does not negate the duty of honesty in informing the public of the economic facts of life which would await Natland.