Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

Talking of ballot boxes.

Today

Constituency ballot :
SNP 58% (+2)
Labour 24% (+3)
Conservatives 12% (n/c)
Liberal Democrats 4% (-2)

List ballot :
SNP 52% (n/c)
Labour 25% (+2)
Conservatives 11% (n/c)
Greens 5% (n/c)
Liberal Democrats 5% (-1)

Scotsman ‏@TheScotsman 1 hr1 hour ago Poll shows Nicola Sturgeon more popular amongst Labour supporters than Kezia Dugdale http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scottish-parliament-election-poll-snp-58-labour-24-1-3946365 …

Jamie Ross ‏@JamieRoss7 42 mins42 minutes ago It seems to me the most worrying thing for Dugdale here is that 46% of Scottish people don't know who she is.

Still, a way to go yet till May. And the fieldwork for this one was before all the tax credits stuff.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Talking of ballot boxes.

Today






Still, a way to go yet till May. And the fieldwork for this one was before all the tax credits stuff.

slightly disappointing given how badly the scots have been treated this last week

but nevertheless independence by xmas 2016 is still possible.
I'm hoping some-one will be inviting me up for the new years celebrations, next year in recognision of all my support.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Yet how strange...

People voted for them. That is actually the real nub of the matter string. There could hardly have been a more emphatic endorsement of what the SNP proposed to do and ask for a la the Scotland Bill. Scots liked what they heard. Voted for it.. and are now being ignored on their own Scotland Bill it seems.

A little unfair, perhaps, as it is after all, Scots residents who will have to live with the outcome. And while we've had EVEL waved through with barely a murmur... it seems that English votes for Scottish Laws is alive, well and watched by 1000's in real time, as it happens in Westminster.

It's not going down too well.. It's well understood that on losing the referendum the SNP wouldn't get everything they wanted. Of course not. But not one single amendment they put forward included ? And MP's live on air crowing 'Good' about no Scottish representation on Human Rights committees etc... Not so good imo.

I made a very similar point before and your answer was much the same, amounting to boasting about how many people were fooled.

The means justify the ends eh Shakey.

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Why on earth do you think any government in the world would vote through powers that are detrimental to itself and it's citizens ? This needs to be gotten right. Not rushed through in a vain attempt to gain a few points at the ballot box for the Tories in May. Scotland will have to live with whatever is agreed for a while... ( or mabye not depending ).

Oh dear.
It seems life without the umbilical cord otherwise know as Barnett has the SNP a tad concerned. Perhaps it's the SNP who are to wee to embrace the road to fiscal independence and ergo real independence further down the line.

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

Oh dear.
It seems life without the umbilical cord otherwise know as Barnett has the SNP a tad concerned. Perhaps it's the SNP who are to wee to embrace the road to fiscal independence and ergo real independence further down the line.

No, not just the SNP.

2 hours ago

Scotland Bill still does not match Smith recommendations, says cross-party Holyrood committee

NEW legislation that will transfer significant new powers to Holyrood still falls short of what was agreed by the Smith Commission, a cross-party committee of MSPs has said...

.... The committee, which has Conservative MSP Alex Johnstone, Liberal Democrat Tavish Scott and Labour members among its ranks, follows claims from the UK Government that recent changes to the legislation meant that the Scotland Bill delivers the Smith agreement "beyond doubt".

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14027915.Scotland_Bill_still_does_not_match_Smith_recommendations__says_cross_party_Holyrood_committee/

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

I made a very similar point before and your answer was much the same, amounting to boasting about how many people were fooled.

The means justify the ends eh Shakey.

You can't keep 'calling out' the SNP while discounting the fact that they are the biggest political party in Scotland at the moment. ( ie 58% of voters are intending to support them at the next election from the poll today ).... Any more that I can keep calling out the Tories without recognising the fact that the polices they stand on, win votes. Even if I don't like them or understand why.

For some reason there seems to be a bit of a 'disconnect' there for you in terms of your posts re the SNP. It's a very strange way of looking at UK democracy.

elantan

Generali wrote: »

And as you can see, lots of people don't believe you.

Ohhh my heart is broken ... what will I do without people like yourself believing me ... I can't go on without your belief in me

elantan

foxtrotoscar wrote: »

Jackanory, Jackanory, Jackanory.

Boooo hoooooo hoooooo not you as well ... btw who the hell are u ?

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Have you ever thought what would happen, if England voted 'Leave'.. but the vote was so close that a Scottish 'Remain' vote tipped the balance ? *strokes chin*

As someone who is in favour of the EU, I'm counting on it. But if I interpret your implied analogy properly, it is a false analogy - Stay in / Leave the EU is a genuine All-UK matter, not a purely regional matter involving only MPs, and it is entirely proper that all Britons vote, and decide, on it, and that the result of the referendum is acted upon.

You should get your head around the idea that Referendums trump party politics.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You can't keep 'calling out' the SNP while discounting the fact that they are the biggest political party in Scotland at the moment. ( ie 58% of voters are intending to support them at the next election from the poll today ).... Any more that I can keep calling out the Tories without recognising the fact that the polices they stand on, win votes. Even if I don't like them or understand why.

For some reason there seems to be a bit of a 'disconnect' there for you in terms of your posts re the SNP. It's a very strange way of looking at UK democracy.

You are just weaving and ducking the charge that the SNP disrespect the view of the Scottish people.

I also made the charge that your GE election manifesto was proof-positive of that.


And don't forget that you yourself have admitted that not all who have, and might, vote SNP are separatists.