Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Voltaire7

CLAPTON wrote: »

obviously you believe in more state spending and lower taxes :
certainly what the voters want.

Difficult to see the negatives really.

You're siding with someone who thinks changing policy to reflect public opinion is a bad thing.

What are your predominate beliefs? Closet racism, perchance?

CLAPTON

Voltaire7 wrote: »

You're siding with someone who thinks changing policy to reflect public opinion is a bad thing.

What are your predominate beliefs? Closet racism, perchance?

Do you support increase spending and decrease taxation?

Voltaire7

CLAPTON wrote: »

Do you support increase spending and decrease taxation?

Are you asking if I support increasing public debt?

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

endless 'funded by the English taxpayer' rants are exactly why 45% voted yes.

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That's twice since the last time I was online you've implied that Scottish people are so small minded, and thin skinned , that this type of comment is enough to drive them in hoards into the arms of SNP.

If this is the new politically enlightened attitude of Scotland, then It is doomed. Totally.

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I think you're the one who's kidding onself on.. And attitudes like yours and endless 'funded by the English taxpayer' rants are exactly why 45% voted yes. The SNP and it's voters want you to keep your English taxpayer money in England. That's the whole point. And Scots keep theirs. Why would you be bothered about that scenario coming to fruition through devo-max or independence at all ?

You should be begging us all to vote SNP if that's the case, so they can gain exactly what you and all other 'hard pressed English taxpayers' want surely ? I can't see your problem..

The majority of Scots (inc SNP voters!) realise that the money disappears on independence, or at least the amount from the English that funds the 'baubles' you're addicted to up there.
Like a lot of English people I'm relaxed about Scottish independence, and only want fairness as regards per capita spend. The fact is England would be a socialist utopia like Scotland if other people were paying for it. So less talk please about Scots having social democracy in their collective DNA, it's a fallacy.

CLAPTON

Voltaire7 wrote: »

Are you asking if I support increasing public debt?

do you know another way of increasing expenditure and decreasing taxation (well other than the English funding Scotland's extra spending wishes)?

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

That's twice since the last time I was online you've implied that Scottish people are so small minded, and thin skinned , that this type of comment is enough to drive them in hoards into the arms of SNP.

If this is the new politically enlightened attitude of Scotland, then It is doomed. Totally.

Ah so it's only the Scots that are small minded ? Not the 'hard pressed English tax payer' who cant throw enough money at us to their own detriment ? It's a commonly held view imho. Is it one you share ? ( subsidy junkies ).

You seem very willing to attach 'labels' such as small minded to only one side of the debate. A quick scan at the comments underneath any Scottish article, especially politics in the Telegraph should widen your horizons a little. And I certainly wouldn't advise the Daily Mail.

There are many, such as the poster below you ( Tromking) who are 'intensely relaxed' about Scots not being in the union anymore. And are not afraid to say so either, as long as it doesn't cost them. That's fair enough as far as I'm concerned. But on the other side of the coin, I do think that a lot of people voted Yes/became potential SNP voters due to being constantly exposed to negative narrative's such as :-

or at least the amount from the English that funds the 'baubles' you're addicted to up there.

The fact is England would be a socialist utopia like Scotland if other people were paying for it.

(well other than the English funding Scotland's extra spending wishes)?

That's just two posters in an obscure corner of the internet. There are screeds and screeds of examples elsewhere in national newspapers and elsewhere. And there have been for the last few years. As a hardworking UK taxpayer who is located in Scotland, I'm certainly not very impressed by the implications. I guess you must be ?

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Ah so it's only the Scots that are small minded ? Not the 'hard pressed English tax payer' who cant throw enough money at us to their own detriment ? It's a commonly held view imho. Is it one you share ? ( subsidy junkies ).

You seem very willing to attach 'labels' such as small minded to only one side of the debate. A quick scan at the comments underneath any Scottish article, especially politics in the Telegraph should widen your horizons a little. And I certainly wouldn't advise the Daily Mail.

There are many, such as the poster below you ( Tromking) who are 'intensely relaxed' about Scots not being in the union anymore. And are not afraid to say so either, as long as it doesn't cost them. That's fair enough as far as I'm concerned. But on the other side of the coin, I do think that a lot of people voted Yes/became potential SNP voters due to being constantly exposed to negative narrative's such as :-

That's just two posters in an obscure corner of the internet. There are screeds and screeds of examples elsewhere in national newspapers and elsewhere. And there have been for the last few years. As a hardworking UK taxpayer who is located in Scotland, I'm certainly not very impressed by the implications. I guess you must be ?

I'm a little confused


are you saying it isn't true that Scotland gets a higher block grant per head than the English

or are you saying it is true but that the Scots don't like to be reminded about it?

elantan

Tromking wrote: »

Switched on enough.
The Scottish penchant for English taxpayer funded public spending baubles dressed up as a progressive Scottish social democracy is the big lie of UK politics. You can kid yourself if you want but I won't believe that the Scots are somehow pre-wired to this mind set until the money is raised solely by Scots for Scots.

Ahhh subsidy junkies again, it's been a while since we had that one ... I've noticed these things are cyclical

Generali

There are some interesting behaviours starting to be exhibited by the SNP as they hold executive power:

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/02/glasgows-missing-millions

Since the SNP minority government first allied with the Tories to set a budget in 2008, a habit they continued throughout their first term, Glasgow has lost £370,000,000, in total, and the pace has been accelerating. The Scottish government’s own figures show that if Glasgow got the same share of the pot as it did under Labour, it would have had an extra £96m this year. Glasgow city Council’s estimates for the coming year are that this gap will swell to £109m, as Scotland’s biggest city once again sees its share cut. We now know where at least a hefty piece of the SNP’s £444m underspend has come from. It is money that could have been spent on the people of Glasgow.......

... Angus, the only council where the Nationalists have an outright majority, and which sends SNP MP Mike Weir to parliament, has seen its share of the pot actually increase, so that it has had an extra £3m this year than it would under the allocation when the SNP came to power.

Their silly Socialist promises are coming home to roost:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/health/snp-treatment-guarantee-should-be-scrapped-as-health-boards-break-the-law-in-record-numb.119266071

When the Treatment Time Guarantee came into force in 2012, the Scottish Government said it would give patients cast-iron certainty, enshrined onto the statute book, that they would receive operations within 12 weeks of being put on a waiting list.
However, new statistics have revealed that despite claims that all health boards would hit 100 per cent compliance, the number of people having their legal right breached is spiralling, having doubled since it came into force.
Jackson Carlaw, health spokesman for the Scottish Conservatives, said the claim the law offered a legal guarantee was "becoming increasingly preposterous" as health boards broke the law in thousands of cases in December alone.

Plenty of extra spending promised of course despite the SNP never having used the tax raising powers put in place when the Scottish Parliament was set up:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/560489/Sturgeon-I-ll-DOUBLE-childcare-spending-if-SNP-win-in-2016

there are no details on how the scheme is to be funded.

More spending and no more taxes while one of the biggest sources of revenue, oil, falls away is an interesting combination. I suspect that the whine, "It's all the fault of Westminster for not paying our bills" will wear thin after a while.