Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

That's just two posters in an obscure corner of the internet. There are screeds and screeds of examples elsewhere in national newspapers and elsewhere. And there have been for the last few years. As a hardworking UK taxpayer who is located in Scotland, I'm certainly not very impressed by the implications. I guess you must be ?

No one is saying that hardworking Scots don't pay tax, the point is you get more back for public services etc.

ruggedtoast

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Oooh check you out.. all bothered enough to actually check out Alexa rankings. It's only been live for a few hours, some area's aren't live yet.. and only those 'following' on twitter got the 'heads up' today for feedback.. Of course it's 'wee'. The website should boost things up a notch though. The print version is doing fine, and online subscribers ( like me ) get it delivered digitally every day anyway. I think the thing most are looking forward to is simply being able to comment.. like other newspapers below the line.

But whatever, contrary to your post earlier, no the newspaper hasn't died a death. And is expanding it's 'reach'. As is the Sunday Herald. Happy to help you out with that one.

I hope they are using simple words and short sentences. :rotfl:

Voltaire7

CLAPTON wrote: »

do you know another way of increasing expenditure and decreasing taxation (well other than the English funding Scotland's extra spending wishes)?

So you're asking if I support what you and your country have voted for for the last 20 years?

I'd have thought that was obvious!

Voltaire7

elantan wrote: »

Ahhh subsidy junkies again, it's been a while since we had that one ... I've noticed these things are cyclical

They go quiet for a bit, then bring it up in the hope that some people are fooled into thinking it's some great revelation.

Probably rotates that with the 'socialist utopia' soundbite.

CLAPTON

Voltaire7 wrote: »

So you're asking if I support what you and your country have voted for for the last 20 years?

I'd have thought that was obvious!

oh dear
another idiot.

Voltaire7

CLAPTON wrote: »

oh dear
another idiot.

Is that it?

Voltaire7

Generali wrote: »

There are some interesting behaviours starting to be exhibited by the SNP as they hold executive power:

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That's quite the over-reaction on your part.

Not taken your meds today?

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

There are some interesting behaviours starting to be exhibited by the SNP as they hold executive power:

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/02/glasgows-missing-millions

Their silly Socialist promises are coming home to roost:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/health/snp-treatment-guarantee-should-be-scrapped-as-health-boards-break-the-law-in-record-numb.119266071

Plenty of extra spending promised of course despite the SNP never having used the tax raising powers put in place when the Scottish Parliament was set up:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/560489/Sturgeon-I-ll-DOUBLE-childcare-spending-if-SNP-win-in-2016

I could refute those I suppose.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/02/glasgows-missing-millions-labour-should-look-themselves-not-snp

And the childcare promise is pretty standard political party run-up-to-election pledges. But honestly, I can't be bothered. You're only reading and cherry-picking headlines from pretty much entirely biased media stories. The Scottish NHS is doing marginally better than the English one, and MUCH better than the Welsh one. And it's certainly doing much better than when Labour was last in power in Holyrood. Anything else is just spin and stuff well out of context.

You're an intelligent man. Have you never thought to ask yourself why this Scottish NHS 'crisis' suddenly appeared on Scottish Labour's campaign launch day ? Because there was certainly absolutely no sign of it prior to Sept 18. Everything was going wonderfully. Do you think there might be a reason for that perhaps ? A wider picture to be had ? An election soon where Scottish Labour look like being gubbed ?

More spending and no more taxes while one of the biggest sources of revenue, oil, falls away is an interesting combination. I suspect that the whine, "It's all the fault of Westminster for not paying our bills" will wear thin after a while.

It's Westminster that may be running out of time. SNP arguments show little sign of 'wearing thin' where their votes count.

Far from finishing the SNP, the referendum campaign has left them stronger than ever. Indeed, the SNP is no longer just a party, it is a movement — and one boasting, per capita, more than twice as many members as the three main unionist parties combined. One in every 50 adult Scots has joined the SNP since the referendum. Nicola Sturgeon’s party has more members than the British army has soldiers....

The unionists try to pretend this isn’t happening. In Edinburgh last week, David Cameron claimed the constitutional question has been ‘settled’. No one in Scotland recognises it as settled, however, and if the Prime Minister thinks it is he is deluding himself...

..To the SNP, the next general election is just a staging post. Winning a majority of Scottish seats would be an excellent start, but influencing the governance of the UK is of relatively minor importance. Any deal with Labour — or even a stage-managed week of negotiations — will be conducted with the 2016 Holyrood elections in mind...

..So unionists are entitled to feel a deep and heavy sense of foreboding. This election is going to be a disaster.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9453802/why-an-snp-surge-at-westminster-could-mean-the-end-of-britain/

I don't agree with a lot of this piece. But Alex Massie ( unionist, very ) does nail the whole, 'lets pretend it's not happening' thing very well. And sets the scene on SNP momentum building.. even though he desperately wants it checked, and quickly too. Worth a read for those interested.

Tromking

Voltaire7 wrote: »

They go quiet for a bit, then bring it up in the hope that some people are fooled into thinking it's some great revelation.

Probably rotates that with the 'socialist utopia' soundbite.

Hackneyed no doubt, but unfortunately for you inconveniently true.
It is staggering how many Scots have bought into the SNP narrative that Scotland is somehow uniquely 'progressive' in its voting habits.
You'll be claiming next that Scotland just makes different choices, ignoring of course that you're awash with public money and consequently are better able to make those choices.
Portillo was right when he said that the Scots electorate had been infantilised, you and shakey are examples of that.

Leanne1812

Tromking wrote: »

Hackneyed no doubt, but unfortunately for you inconveniently true.
It is staggering how many Scots have bought into the SNP narrative that Scotland is somehow uniquely 'progressive' in its voting habits.
You'll be claiming next that Scotland just makes different choices, ignoring of course that you're awash with public money and consequently are better able to make those choices.
Portillo was right when he said that the Scots electorate had been infantilised, you and shakey are examples of that.

What utter tosh!

We all know we have higher public spending but no one, NO ONE!! has proved Scotland does not pay her way in the union. Prove it to me please. We've not been infantilised, we've woken up. We're paying attention and researching & investigating claims for ourselves which is very easy due to the Internet.

Our beloved NHS which was only safe remaining in the union is now under such peril. Come on, we're not fools. It's all election tactics and the problem all the parties have now is we seek out information. Jim Murphy has already pulled a video with false stats regarding the current state of the NHS.

So, go on, prove to me we are subsidised.