Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

elantan

Whilst you are right on some level you are also failing to miss there are a large number of electorate right now scrutinising everything our politicians are doing ... I even sat and watched the Carmichael court case ... and can't wait for the next one :-)

I am not alone or unique in this ... there are a growing number of others doing the same ... I think the SNP have cottoned onto this hence the swift action research Michelle Thomson

Shakethedisease

wotsthat wrote: »

This level of analysis is clearly very important to you but you shouldn't project this to the electorate at large. Voters, SNP or otherwise, don't scrutinise their candidates in this level of detail.

Not really, I come here to relax, and debate. I'm interested in Scottish politics. Corbyn is being well scrutinised, I can assure you.

It has almost no connection to the point being made - you appear to dismissing the very notion of labour making any sort of comeback which I'd suggest is deluded. They won't be so sanguine at SNP HQ and will be building strategy accordingly.

No, I'm going by the polls, and current parties standings. They may change of course. But there's no getting away from the fact that Corbyn has an uphill battle ahead. Any grand overtures to Scottish voters won't go down well with English ones, and vice versa. Trident's already a non-starter. But I agree, SNP HQ won't be resting on any laurels.

Quite like how you manage to be angry about the lies without a trace of irony though.

And now you're getting personal. There's really no need. I'm not angry, I'm interested and a bit taken aback to be honest. A lot of us, yes, even SNP voters, had high hopes for Corbyn. Even if it meant a bit of a leftie Labour 'comeback' ( for SNP supporters Kendall or Cooper would've been a FAR better prospect )... but we quite like Corbyn on the whole. It's a real shame his own party doesn't. And he's taking briefings from Scottish Labour reps that even Jim Murphy would've rejected as nonsense.

He'll be up in Scotland tomorrow ( though isn't talking to journalists according to the twitterati ). I guess we'll have to see if he has anything much to say to everyone else.

Shakethedisease

elantan wrote: »

Whilst you are right on some level you are also failing to miss there are a large number of electorate right now scrutinising everything our politicians are doing ... I even sat and watched the Carmichael court case ... and can't wait for the next one :-)

I am not alone or unique in this ... there are a growing number of others doing the same ... I think the SNP have cottoned onto this hence the swift action research Michelle Thomson

Yes I agree with this. FMQ's, PMQ's, Facebook and constant Twitter updates keep us all in the loop these days. Even just casually checking Twitter in among my friends, Depeche Mode, 80's groups, gym updates, historical pics and stories tweets etc etc... There are always political ones there too. Even if it's just from newspaper columns, Question Time or Andrew Neil, someone I know has retweeted it or I'm interested enough to click follow.

elantan

Yep were keeping a close eye on what's going on now ... bet WM wished they had put devo max on the ballot paper last year lol

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

Yep were keeping a close eye on what's going on now ... bet WM wished they had put devo max on the ballot paper last year lol

so you don't think that the scots actually want independence ?

zagubov

.string. wrote: »

@elanten - did you read that article I posted on
Devolution and Federalism

It really is worth reading.

Did anyone read it?

I read it and it was interesting and explained a lot. Thanks for posting.

The elephant in the room is that it doesn't suggest how England can govern itself optimally. It has no overall devolved government except for the regional one covering Greater London. I accept there has been little appetite elsewhere for similar devolution.

So how to do it?

All completely unified like France? (and how does this help the north etc.)
Federalised like Germany? ( is that necessary? are there strong enough regional identities to support this?) BTW I'm not sure it's such a red herring.

Or unified, but with the capital having unique autonomous government like now?

And can we just muddle along like this forever (irrespective of whatever Scotland or wherever else chooses to do or not do)?

Tromking

zagubov wrote: »

I read it and it was interesting and explained a lot. Thanks for posting.

The elephant in the room is that it doesn't suggest how England can govern itself optimally. It has no overall devolved government except for the regional one covering Greater London. I accept there has been little appetite elsewhere for similar devolution.

So how to do it?

All completely unified like France? (and how does this help the north etc.)
Federalised like Germany? ( is that necessary? are there strong enough regional identities to support this?) BTW I'm not sure it's such a red herring.

Or unified, but with the capital having unique autonomous government like now?

And can we just muddle along like this forever (irrespective of whatever Scotland or wherever else chooses to do or not do)?

I've never quite got why England couldn't just mirror the other UK nations and have one single assembly. There is this fear that England would in that scenario dominate the rest of the UK owing to its size and clout, the balkanisation of England in a federal set up is a terrible idea. A 500 seat English parliament based in York, with a small UK federal government in London gets my vote.

skintmacflint

elantan wrote: »

My son did ... I didnt ... I don't want near federalism he does ... it's awfy simple really ... although we are related we think and feel differently ... not hard is it ?

He voted yes because he didn't believe the vow ... I know many that voted no as they did believe the vow ... my goodness me different people now thinking and feeling differently ... it's anarchy I tell ya

Now you're havering.

skintmacflint

elantan wrote: »

I met Michelle during indy ref she seemed quite nice tbh, will wait and see how this comes out in the wash before deciding if I find her guilty or not ... like I would with any other person

As will the majority of people. Have to say Sturgeon despite trying to portray the neutrality, expected of her position didn't give the impression when interviewed of being confident or supportive of a good outcome.

Public perception is fickle and tricky.

elantan

skintmacflint wrote: »

Now you're havering.

Erm nope ... politics is weird up here ... I reckon they need to write a new book

Big JC is even confused ... so much so he's banned the press from his next visit oop north