Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

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Shakethedisease wrote:

...By concentrating on Nicola, I'm afraid you have discounted the other members of the panel and their own comments. Some of which didn't go down too at all well. In fact, there was an upsurge in new SNP registrations last night afterwards. Woeful uninformed comments from Heseltine insisting that Scots took 'British' money and Norman Lamb horrified at the thought that democratically elected Scots MP's might have a say in Westminster.

Sure, we're allowed Scots Labour, Lib Dem and Tory MP's in there voting on so called 'English only issues' no problem with that... but not SNP ones.. Which may be a slight problem if most of Scotland send SNP MP's down. Don't you agree ?

That's a hugely distorted mis-statement there Shakey. The Midlothian Question has been rumbling on for years but with the level of Devolution as it was no-one was that bothered really. Now with the new Devolution arrangements for Scotland people do care. It's not that people didn't care because they were Conservative or Labour or Lib Dem MPs - that a pure fictional distortion, a bit of whining SNP rhetoric.

One thing that Norman Lamb said (paraphrasing because I did not write it down, nor can I be bothered to check it out) was that he thought it inconceivable that a political coalition in Westminster would be made with a party whose obsession was with destroying the Union. That is anti-SNP and it's an opinion I share. I would prefer a minority Government to one which allied with the SNP and I would most certainly not vote for any party I thought would do that.

As far as Granny Sturgeon's performance I though it hugely predictable, sticking to an old SNP Hymn sheet, well below the hype. But I was quite pleased with it if that's the best she can do. A bit out of her depth I thought.

Finally, the remark about "democratically elected Scots MPs" does not reflect what was actually said and further is hypocritical. The Most Democratic statement of a country's opinion is in a well attended Referendum (you know the one that Scotland has just had). While your party is ignoring the result of that and distorting it to their own ends the SN is hardly entitled to respect when it comes to their opinions on Democracy.

In fact I would not call the SNP's approach to Democracy as Democracy.

It's more a Parasitocracy.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

That's a hugely distorted mis-statement there Shakey. The Midlothian Question has been rumbling on for years but with the level of Devolution as it was no-one was that bothered really. Now with the new Devolution arrangements for Scotland people do care. It's not that people didn't care because they were Conservative or Labour or Lib Dem MPs - that a pure fictional distortion, a bit of whining SNP rhetoric.

Well then, they've left it a little late to start dealing with it haven't they given the election is only weeks away. Far too late given the polls at the present time and if they continue.

One thing that Norman Lamb said (paraphrasing because I did not write it down, nor can I be bothered to check it out) was that he thought it inconceivable that a political coalition in Westminster would be made with a party whose obsession was with destroying the Union. That is anti-SNP and it's an opinion I share. I would prefer a minority Government to one which allied with the SNP and I would most certainly not vote for any party I thought would do that.

That may well happen of course. But minority governments have to pass bills, budgets and laws. Difficult without agreement. Labour have refused to rule out a deal with the SNP or the Tories thus far. Which would be your preference ?

As far as Granny Sturgeon's performance I though it hugely predictable, sticking to an old SNP Hymn sheet, well below the hype. But I was quite pleased with it if that's the best she can do. A bit out of her depth I thought.

You're entitled to your view. Many share it, many don't. But many were also less than impressed by the general 'anti-Scots' feeling from the panel. They do need to start differentiating when they are talking about Scotland/Scots and SNP a bit more. They seem interchangeable at times on shows and commentary like these. And that's a mistake imho. Heseltine was terrible at it. And to be honest, I think a lot gave up on Question Time ages ago when it became the Farage show.

Finally, the remark about "democratically elected Scots MPs" does not reflect what was actually said and further is hypocritical. The Most Democratic statement of a country's opinion is in a well attended Referendum (you know the one that Scotland has just had). While your party is ignoring the result of that and distorting it to their own ends the SN is hardly entitled to respect when it comes to their opinions on Democracy.

In fact I would not call the SNP's approach to Democracy as Democracy.

It's more a Parasitocracy.

What would you call an MP from a Scottish constituency then.. if not democratically elected ? You're kind of havering a bit with this one. If it's a legally recognised political party, and an MP from a UK constituency is elected to represent those constituents into Westminster, whether it's from Portsmouth or Ayrshire. No matter what party they're from. It's all the same thing.. I think you're on to rather a sticky wicket not calling it democratic.

Norman Lamb said "The thought therefore of the Scottish Nationalists having and influence on the next parliament, or being part of the Government - God Forbid- absolutely horrifies me" ( <--- copied and pasted from elsewhere ).. I'm sure the thought does. But that's just tough luck. There's nothing really anyone can do about it if the votes are there. This is a UK General election, not a referendum. Scots voted to stay part of that. Westminster will just have to deal with whatever it gets.... democratically.

MumOf2

re Question Time last night, Heseltine was the only one with gravitas - a real statesman with historical and political depth. Nicola Sturgeon looked and sounded like a recalcitrant teenager, Caroline Flint was so out of her depth and Lamb was a lightweight.

elantan

You think Heseltine had gravitas ? Wow ... Wow ... OK then , each to their own , Sturgeon was the only decent person there, and I certainly ain't a fan

elantan

MumOf2 wrote: »

re Question Time last night, Heseltine was the only one with gravitas - a real statesman with historical and political depth. Nicola Sturgeon looked and sounded like a recalcitrant teenager, Caroline Flint was so out of her depth and Lamb was a lightweight.

I see you managed to copy and paste from another thread on another board... Well done

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

That's a hugely distorted mis-statement there Shakey. The Midlothian Question has been rumbling on for years but with the level of Devolution as it was no-one was that bothered really. Now with the new Devolution arrangements for Scotland people do care.

Just off to bed, seeing a bit of a furore on Twitter. It does seem that newspapers were misrepresenting the implications of the new devolution 'deal'. A complaint about the the Daily Record.. by a pro-indy website has been upheld. Numerous newpapers followed the same narrative.. but the Daily Record was the one who 1 ) Headlined the original 'Vow' and then 2 ) Headlined and trumpeted once again 'Vow Delivered'... then went onto grossly misrepresent it and the financial aspects.

Can I suggest that you look past newspaper headlines for the actual implications of 'further devolution' ? As it does seem that you are a bit stuck on this notion that the Smith commission was some kind of 'game changer'. When actually it was a really damp squib in terms of, well, anything much. And newspapers ( especially the most pro-union ones) have a tendency to exaggerate the real implications.. as seen..

The Independent Press Standards Organisation has delivered its verdict on the Daily Record's coverage of the Smith Commission recommendations on 27 November 2014, after we lodged a complaint with the watchdog body...

...The newspaper’s publication of these claims, following a significant misunderstanding of the information provided to it, demonstrated a failure to take care not to publish inaccurate information. The complaint under Clause 1 (i) was therefore upheld.
As a consequence of the inaccuracy, the article significantly misrepresented the fiscal consequences of the Smith Commission’s recommendations. The article was therefore significantly inaccurate in a manner that required correction in accordance with Clause 1 (ii).
Conclusions
8. The complaint was upheld.


* Relevant Code Provisions
6. Clause 1 (Accuracy)
(i) The Press must take care not to publish inaccurate, misleading or distorted information, including pictures.
(ii) A significant inaccuracy, misleading statement or distortion once recognised must be corrected, promptly and with due prominence, and – where appropriate – an apology published. In cases involving the Regulator, prominence should be agreed with the Regulator in advance.

Am sure there are more than a few newspapers going through the archives just now to see just what they wrote too. I'm not posting a link, as it should be relatively easy to work out who made the complaint and see the full judgements. Half of Scotland certainly will anyway.. No-one likes being lied to after all.

MumOf2

elantan wrote: »

I see you managed to copy and paste from another thread on another board... Well done

Why not? Worth repeating...

MumOf2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No-one likes being lied to after all.

If that's the case, why did even 45% of those who voted in the referendum vote for Salmond then? What was the SNP manifesto (aka White Paper) full of?

Leanne1812

QT confirmed the lovebomb is truly over.......Scotland, you voted to stay but we deteste you for having the audacity to consider leaving.

It's quite something that SNP, this small insignificant party ( at least a year ago they were) is causing such waves throughout the UK.

I'm not alone in feeling glad they are.

CLAPTON

Leanne1812 wrote: »

QT confirmed the lovebomb is truly over.......Scotland, you voted to stay but we deteste you for having the audacity to consider leaving.

It's quite something that SNP, this small insignificant party ( at least a year ago they were) is causing such waves throughout the UK.

I'm not alone in feeling glad they are.

doubtless you are not alone in supporting Anyone but the English or believing the Flower of Scotland represents the very best that Scotland has to offer.