Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

Especially if you're planning to start life as an independent country running a deficit well north of 10% of GDP while saving up a SWF:rotfl:

Indeed.

Hey iScotland, let's start your independent future off by getting into a major row with your biggest trading partner which is also much bigger in economy terms.

It's not much of a poker game is it.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Yet further examples of the incompetence of the SNP in power, this time from the FT:

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/32c37d04-4caf-11e5-9b5d-89a026fda5c9.html??ftcamp=crm/email/_DATEYEARFULLNUM___DATEMONTHNUM___DATEDAYNUM__/nbe/UKPolitics/product#axzz3kMjnAAIX

It's a pretty damning report. They note Scotland is spending less on health and schools more on culture, transport, economic development and free personal care for the elderly in relative terms as a result of the SNP's decisions over the past 4 years.

And of course the Scottish police have to pay VAT because the SNP didn't want the overseeing body to be a Local Government Joint Board as this would reduce their power and influence over the force.

The Scottish people will presumably realise all of this at some point unless the long term plan is to kill off the old people (that don't vote for independence) and make the young so dumb that they fall for all that propaganda put out by the Yes campaign.

No, I don't think they are seeing it at all. It's all a bit 'echo chamber' when it comes to local services and policing for the media and Scottish Labour.. But it's not reflected on doorsteps or when the people themselves are actually asked. This study/survey was taken after 7 years of the SNP in power.

And anyway, even if dissatisfied with one or two aspects... all one has to do is look round and think about who the alternatives are to vote for...

Results from 2014 Scottish Household Survey

This chapter begins by exploring satisfaction with the quality of local services and attitudes to involvement in local decision making. It then reports respondents' views on local authority performance. Breakdowns by urban rural classification and SIMD are provided.

Main Findings
In 2014, 62 per cent of adults were satisfied with three public services: local health services, schools and public transport.

Adults living in urban areas were more satisfied with the quality of the three public services than those in more rural areas; satisfaction was higher in the 20 per cent most deprived areas compared to the Scotland average.
In 2014, 23 per cent of adults agreed that they can influence decisions affecting their local area, the highest level since the question was introduced in 2007. Around one-third (34 per cent) said they would like to be more involved in the decisions their council makes.
Generally, older adults were more likely than younger adults to say they are satisfied with local government performance and less likely to want to be more involved in making decisions.
Adults living in the 20 per cent most deprived areas were less likely to agree that their local council provides high quality services, less likely to agree that they can influence decisions in their local area and less likely to want to be more involved in local decision making, compared to the least deprived areas.

http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2015/08/3720/10#t101

Fill your boots with the tables provided.

Shakethedisease

Chadsman wrote: »

Do you have a preferred option for the currency? IMHO Sterlingisation would be a far better bet for both iScotland and rUK. If a currency union were to be agreed iScotland's voice would be very easily drowned out. At least with the Euro iScotland would have potential allies to support their point of view. The fiscal commission wrote what they thought their paymasters wanted to hear.

Robert Peston's BBC documentary on the financial implications of independence said if all other things remain equal iScotland would have about the same level of wealth as it does now.
This supposes monetary and fiscal policies are decided according to iScotlnad's best interests. In reality they would not be in a currency union.

I will say independence could have certain benefits but there would also be significant costs. You obviously believe those costs are a price worth paying.

I don't really have a preference. A currency union short term to mitigate shocks provide stability for everyone until debts/assets where negotiated fairly, with a new currency implemented within a relatively short time..

It seems more and more Scots are seeing whatever happens a la currency as a price worth paying these days. Won't be long until that 45/55% split is reversed now. And note support for the timing of another referendum.

2 September 2015

STV poll: 53% of Scots would vote for independence if vote held now

More than half of Scots would vote for independence if a second referendum were held tomorrow, according to a poll commissioned by STV.

The Ipsos Mori survey shows 53% would vote yes, 44% would vote No and 3% are undecided.
This is the first poll since the referendum last September which says the country would vote yes when those who are undecided are included.
The 1002 participants were polled between Monday and Sunday last week.When asked if they supported a second referendum being held, 50% said they would support one in the next five years and 58% in the next ten.

If the UK voted to leave the EU, 52% would support another referendum, 41% if Trident were renewed and 50% if English votes for English laws were approved.

The poll also shows the SNP are likely to have a majority government after next May’s Holyrood election, with a projected 74 out of 129 MSPs.
The party would get 55% of the constituency vote and 50% of the list vote, both up from their performance in the 2011 election when they formed a majority Scottish government for the first time....


....As part of the poll, participants were asked how well they thought Scottish party leaders and the Prime Minister are performing. The majority were happy with Nicola Sturgeon, with 71% saying they are satisfied with the way she is doing her job.
David Cameron did not fare as well, with 68% saying they are dissatisfied with the Prime Minister.

http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/news/1327913-stv-poll-scots-would-vote-yes-if-a-second-referendum-were-held-now/

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I don't really have a preference. A currency union short term to mitigate shocks provide stability for everyone until debts/assets where negotiated fairly, with a new currency implemented within a relatively short time..

It seems more and more Scots are seeing whatever happens a la currency as a price worth paying these days. Won't be long until that 45/55% split is reversed now. And note support for the timing of another referendum.

2 September 2015http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/news/1327913-stv-poll-scots-would-vote-yes-if-a-second-referendum-were-held-now/

how can you support a currency union when you don't know what it means?

how can there be a fair split of debts/assets when scotland is going to default on the debts?

anyway I'm glad you are starting to agree with me about a referendum next year

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

how can you support a currency union when you don't know what it means?

The 'status quo' if you prefer, immediately after a Yes vote until debts/assets are divided up fairly and stability is ensured. Moving swiftly to a new currency and a complete, clean break.

how can there be a fair split of debts/assets when scotland is going to default on the debts?

This was campaigning on BOTH sides. One using the currency/'losing the pound' as a stick to beat Salmond with, the other using 'no debt then' in return. In reality no-one knows what would've happened and how negotiations would have played out.

However, saying that iScotland would be taking their fair share of Uk debt ( which no-one had a problem with ).... and the same time as the 1000's of headlines about Scotland not being in the EU and negotiating 1000's of new treaties as a 'new state'. Didn't add up, make sense or was true. iScotland taking on a share of rUK debt.. means an iScotland that isn't a 'new state' upon independence.

anyway I'm glad you are starting to agree with me about a referendum next year

Oh there won't be one next year. It's too soon. Need a few more years of the Tories in power and the prospect of another 5 years after that in 2020... to get those polls for Yes really flying high till it's a running certainty. Under 55's are already there..

blair jenkins ‏@BlairJenkinsYes 8m8 minutes ago @STVNews Among many interesting detailed numbers behind your headline figure, it seems fully 60% of under-55s now support a Yes vote.

Still is going in the right direction at the moment. Corbyn's the wild card. If he does the same in England as the SNP has in Scotland, all bets will be off I think.

Oh and this is for Generali and the FT..

elantan

53% and 44% now ... seen numbers similar somewhere i'm sure ... only I think they were flipped round

Aye I dont want Corbyn to win tbh ... will make things more grrr to sort out ...

Did you read the wee ginger dug's latest ? had me in tears ... I remember last years blog as if it were yesterday, a long way away but still fresh in my mind

Fingers crossed we get consistently good polling for the next few years ... hopefully as high as 65% shortly ... then just keep it up and we should be on our way ...

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The 'status quo' if you prefer, immediately after a Yes vote until debts/assets are divided up fairly and stability is ensured. Moving swiftly to a new currency and a complete, clean break.

This was campaigning on BOTH sides. One using the currency/'losing the pound' as a stick to beat Salmond with, the other using 'no debt then' in return. In reality no-one knows what would've happened and how negotiations would have played out.

However, saying that iScotland would be taking their fair share of Uk debt ( which no-one had a problem with ).... and the same time as the 1000's of headlines about Scotland not being in the EU and negotiating 1000's of new treaties as a 'new state'. Didn't add up, make sense or was true. iScotland taking on a share of rUK debt.. means an iScotland that isn't a 'new state' upon independence.

Oh there won't be one next year. It's too soon. Need a few more years of the Tories in power and the prospect of another 5 years after that in 2020... to get those polls for Yes really flying high till it's a running certainty.

Still is going in the right direction at the moment. Corbyn's the wild card. If he does the same in England as the SNP has in Scotland, all bets will be off I think.

Oh and this is for Generali and the FT..

absolutely ridiculous

after a YES vote the UK would still be a single sovereign state.

only after the two sides have reached a detailed agreement would the parts separate into two separate states.

previously the SNP wanted it to take 18 months

the discussions about currency were about the situation after the split and not before

The SNP have NEVER committed to a new currency and are still deliberately keeping the scots in the dark

Shakethedisease

elantan wrote: »

53% and 44% now ... seen numbers similar somewhere i'm sure ... only I think they were flipped round

Aye I dont want Corbyn to win tbh ... will make things more grrr to sort out ...

Is a strange one to predict. This poll said it would make little difference. Imo I think there are more than a few Pro Indy/Greens/SNP'r's cheering him on. But would take a lot of make them actually vote for Labour again up here.

He will win the leadership though. Be interesting to see how that plays out down Westminster way in how he deals with the SNP.

Almost a quarter (23 per cent) said a victory for Jeremy Corbyn in the UK Labour leadership contest would make them more likely to vote Labour, but 34 per cent said they would be less likely to back the party.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11839411/More-than-half-of-Scots-would-vote-for-independence-in-second-referendum.html

Did you read the wee ginger dug's latest ? had me in tears ... I remember last years blog as if it were yesterday, a long way away but still fresh in my mind

Fingers crossed we get consistently good polling for the next few years ... hopefully as high as 65% shortly ... then just keep it up and we should be on our way ...

Yes, I was welling up myself. As I was last year too at this time when his partner passed away. What a fantastic emotive writer he is ( as well as hilarious sometimes ).

Re the polls. Osborne should come up here more often. Every time he does, support for the union drops another few % points. Talking about Trident as Scotland's 'union dividend' like some kind of 'job creation scheme' was a little bit of a faux pas lol.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

absolutely ridiculous

after a YES vote the UK would still be a single sovereign state.

only after the two sides have reached a detailed agreement would the parts separate into two separate states.

previously the SNP wanted it to take 18 months

That's right.

the discussions about currency were about the situation after the split and not before

Also right. However, the Fiscal Commission put forward a number of options. Of which a 'currency union' for the short/medium term was their preferred option for stability and mutual advantage. Until such times, as both economies started to diverge.

The SNP have NEVER committed to a new currency and are still deliberately keeping the scots in the dark

The poster above asked me what my own currency preferences were. ( ie short transitional status quo, before a clean break and new currency ).. not the SNP's or Fiscal Commission recommendations. You've confused the two.

Firetastic

Oh gosh here we go again. I thought this was put to bed but instead it will become a neverendum. I am still against independence but part of me wants to go with the old adage "If you can't beat em join em" otherwise we will never hear the end of neverendum referendum.