Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

IveSeenTheLight

Generali wrote: »

I'd argue precisely that.

Labour used Scotland as their personal fief for years. It's no wonder that the Scots got fed up and went elsewhere.

I've always advocated that an Independent Scotland would be free to vote for the Conservatives, Labour, Lib/Dems or whoever with the knowledge that the MP's are solely acting to benefit the Scottish electorate and not necessarily towing the UK party line.

Remember the Labour Party is the Scottish Labour Party and the Conservatives are the Scottish Conservatives and Unionist Part, inferring that they are separate from the UK parties, although we know they are not.

No doubt once these parties truly act for the Scottish electorate, we may find voters choosing them in greater numbers.

Until then though..........

Generali wrote: »

I'm not convinced that Scots are voting SNP so much as voting none of the above.

I do not accept none of the above is SNP as "non of the above" would simply abstain / spoil votes as they do in the rest of the UK

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I thought the discussion earlier (may be another thread), cited that the Conservatives could practically do that for the UK.

Your post is therefore null and void

Clearly the conservatives can't bulldoze though any legislation as recently evidenced by the hunting bill.

In Scotland there is a lack of any effective opposition to the ruling party : which is likely to get even worse after the May election.

An unhealthy state for any society.

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

In Scotland there is a lack of any effective opposition to the ruling party : which is likely to get even worse after the May election.

An unhealthy state for any society.

Please clarify the difference between the UK opposition and the Scottish Parliament opposition.

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Please clarify the difference between the UK opposition and the Scottish Parliament opposition.

the same difference as between putin's russia and say USA

the Uk government has a small majority and has to try to persuade both it's own party and the other parties to support some of the legislation

Scotland is moving towards a situation where the SNP will be so dominate that they will have no need to consider any outside views.
Given its autocratic structure that means a small clique will rule scotland just like russia

An unhealthy state for any society

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

the same difference as between putin's russia and say USA

b0llocks.

You clearly do not realise that the SNP operated with a minority government between 2007 and 2011, showing how governments can work with other parties to succeed in government.

You also clearly don;t realise that the Scottish Parliament run a proportional representation called the AMS (Additional Member System) to ensure that there is a fair representation of all voters as MSPs.

Currently there are 64 SNP's out of 128, equating to the 50% achieved at the general election in May

The Conservatives have 50.7% MP's elected at Westminster.

So, what a load of b0llocks you are trying to portray about a one state society in Scotland.

Totally delluded

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

b0llocks.

You clearly do not realise that the SNP operated with a minority government between 2007 and 2011, showing how governments can work with other parties to succeed in government.

You also clearly don;t realise that the Scottish Parliament run a proportional representation called the AMS (Additional Member System) to ensure that there is a fair representation of all voters as MSPs.

Currently there are 64 SNP's out of 128, equating to the 50% achieved at the general election in May

The Conservatives have 50.7% MP's elected at Westminster.

So, what a load of b0llocks you are trying to portray about a one state society in Scotland.

Totally delluded

So you are predicting no significant change in the May 2016 elections?

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

So you are predicting no significant change in the May 2016 elections?

One thing I've learned from the last elections is to take polls with a huge pinch of salt.

Even if the SNP increase their vote as per the polls, the Scottish AMS system will balance to reflect the electorate.

You don't have that in the UK.

Even if the SNP get 62% of the vote this coming election as per the polls, it will still be less than the Labour party held in 1997 when they had 63.5% of the MP's at Westminster.


Seats won on outer ring versus percentage of votes on inner ring (1997 General Election)

In light of this information, are you prepared to retract your previous b0llocks statements about a one state country?

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

One thing I've learned from the last elections is to take polls with a huge pinch of salt.

Even if the SNP increase their vote as per the polls, the Scottish AMS system will balance to reflect the electorate.

You don't have that in the UK.

Even if the SNP get 62% of the vote this coming election as per the polls, it will still be less than the Labour party held in 1997 when they had 63.5% of the MP's at Westminster.


Seats won on outer ring versus percentage of votes on inner ring (1997 General Election)

In light of this information, are you prepared to retract your previous b0llocks statements about a one state country?

lets wait and see after the May election:

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

lets wait and see after the May election:

So, your statements have been shown to be b0llocks and your answer is to defer to May 2016.

Are you of the opinion that the vote will return significantly more MP's as a percentage than Labour won in 1997?

How much more of a majority are you predicting?

IveSeenTheLight

LOL, I misheard and see that the SNP are polling on 54% of the seats at present, so a lower majority than I used in my earlier posts and much less than Labour had in 1997.

Even further away from the one state b0llocks Clapton is spouting then. .

Maybe he should be talking about how the UK could be classed as a one state country lol