Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

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skintmacflint wrote: »

Seems to me to be an awful lot of wishful thinking not to mention assumptions in the above.

Yes, it was a more than usually a WT outburst; polls are everywhere.

As I wrote before in post #40 ...

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Absolute tosh. It was the last minute 40% rule that was the problem everyone had with that referendum in 1979. It's never been put into a referendum past, or present since. It was a stitch-up alright. But it wasn't from the SNP side. Thatcher would've gotten in anyway. Whatever the date of the election.

It is completely normal to put an extra hurdle in to constitutional changes. The US Constitution, usually considered an exemplar of a constitution, has many hurdles to change, normally requiring a 2:1 majority to push through a change.

1979 wasn't a stitch up, it just didn't deliver what you wanted. When it didn't give the SNP what they wanted they stabbed the rest of the coalition in the back and put up a vote of no confidence as a member (very recently) of the Government.

Nobody in their right minds would join the SNP in power at Westminster as a result. Labour, in particular, have a long memory of history.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

1979Hmmmmm have you seen the latest polls tonight ? If Corbyn does win, (either YouGov is going out of business soon or else they're in the ballpark).. Corbyn will win outright in the first vote.

If so.. You can welcome that SNP/Labour alliance that was so touted before May. Labour will work with the SNP. As well as a bit of Tory blocking... It's not fab news for the SNP overall if am honest, Labour shifting leftwards presents a few problems. However, in Westminster, that'll be a different story.... Winning Scotland, and teaming up with Labour in England.. Yes, that 'bunch of UK constituencies' will matter then.

Well of course the Conservatives won an absolute majority so even if the SNP and Labour gang up with absolutely everyone else in Parliament then the Tories can pass pretty much any Bill into law that they like within the realms of the Constitution if they can carry the party room.

I'm not sure what the SNP and Labour 'working together' mean in terms of opposition within the British Constitution. Does it just mean that they vote together as a block (an interesting idea given Mr Corbyn's views on party unity) or is it yet another vague statement with no real substance behind it.

elantan

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Perhaps it would be better for Salmond and co if it did for a while at least. As at the current time. The economic situation is let's say not very favourable.

oh I dont know ... more exploration in the north sea... Bp saying they are gonna plow tens of millions into the area ... whisky looking no bad ... people having to rely more on food banks due to the cuts and realising when the new ones comes there will be even more ...

now if we can only sort out what currency were gonna use :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

kabayiri

elantan wrote: »

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now if we can only sort out what currency were gonna use :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

You can invent your own currency now. Back it with oil or buckfast or something.

You might as well try it. Alternative currencies worked rather well in regions of Austria way back when....for a while.

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

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I'm not sure what the SNP and Labour 'working together' mean in terms of opposition within the British Constitution. Does it just mean that they vote together as a block (an interesting idea given Mr Corbyn's views on party unity) or is it yet another vague statement with no real substance behind it.

I think 'working together' means causing maximum aggro to the bad old Tories, at the expense of not working for the UK citizen, helping to sort out the national problems.

elantan

kabayiri wrote: »

You can invent your own currency now. Back it with oil or buckfast or something.

You might as well try it. Alternative currencies worked rather well in regions of Austria way back when....for a while.

I fancy smackaroonies myself

tberry6686

elantan wrote: »

oh I dont know ... more exploration in the north sea... Bp saying they are gonna plow tens of millions into the area ... whisky looking no bad ... people having to rely more on food banks due to the cuts and realising when the new ones comes there will be even more ...

now if we can only sort out what currency were gonna use :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

And prior to the referendum - much reduced investment in the North sea. Numerous large employers making plans to reduce/remove their operations in Scotland.

Announce another referendum today and watch all that new investment go on hold. The truth is that the multinationals do not believe a word that the SNP say and would look to massively reduce their exposure to Scotland if Scotland went independent.

Generali

kabayiri wrote: »

You can invent your own currency now. Back it with oil or buckfast or something.

You might as well try it. Alternative currencies worked rather well in regions of Austria way back when....for a while.

Just to make the point, Buckie is an English export to Scotland. I have seen it once in England, in an offie in a very dodgy bit of south London.

I tried some. Crivens, it was not very nice.

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

Just to make the point, Buckie is an English export to Scotland. I have seen it once in England, in an offie in a very dodgy bit of south London.

I tried some. Crivens, it was not very nice.

Gawd, you've gone and done it now.

I'm expecting a SNP outcry and call for a ban on buckie in the near future.