Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

IveSeenTheLight

kabayiri wrote: »

but hurdles to be addressed using good management and control.

I guess the concerns is over the quality of that management to ensure that there are no ecological issues

kabayiri

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I guess the concerns is over the quality of that management to ensure that there are no ecological issues

Fewer places have a greater litigious nature than the US, yet they have managed to find a way of adopting fracking.

They obviously see returns which outweigh the risk.

Scotland sits on some of the oldest rock in the world. I reckon the geological risks can be managed.

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

It's still focusing on an Oil dependent Scotland.

My questions and premise is that we need to be looking beyond oil and diversify the economy?

Your right in that it's too late for a SWF and the the UK government has not provisioned for the future as Norway has.

Surely we need to learn from these mistakes and consider a brighter, more diverse future.

Too many people are considering the present and very short term outlook and not consider the long term.

I understand that short termism from polititions who consider the term in government they are aspiring to and also from the banking sector, who look to daily profits as opposed to future security.

As it's better to get the bonuses now and not worry about the future implications, isn't it?

why can't Scotland have a more diverse future now?

has the SNP imposed laws stopping scottish entrepreneurs starting new businesses?
or does diversification require massive injections of public money?

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

why can't Scotland have a more diverse future now?

has the SNP imposed laws stopping scottish entrepreneurs starting new businesses?
or does diversification require massive injections of public money?

I'm sure you are aware that the Scottish government does not have the full powers available to balance their full desires.

Maybe we'll see it one day

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

.string. wrote: »

And conversely you presumably understand that "locking the Tories out of Downing Street" did not go down well in England.

Don't be so hypocritical, Shakey. Because of their own nasty intentions, the SNP are getting the sauce they intended to dish out themselves and it serves them right.

Nah, the SNP had little to do with the Tory win. That was down to UKIPers coming home. As it was always likely.


And the SNP hasn't been 'locked out of Westminster'.. No 10 was never possible anyway. And for your info I'm quite hoping that that the SNP DO get ignored and dismissed as Generali et al keep going on about. Suits the SNP just lovely. Proves exactly what they've been saying all along about Scottish MP's being ignored at Westminster. And for sure, is certainly bumping up those polling numbers for next May amazingly well. 60% plus now isn't it for the Scottish General Election ?

You've just gotten things plain wrong string. Unfortunately you have no clue how the SNP got where they are. So resort to nonsense about 'hypocrites' and 'nasty people'. You'll have to just a little better than that to explain things. Anything else is just lazy.

Why do you think Scottish and resident voters in Scotland seem to like the SNP so much these days ? What is it, in your own opinion, that drives the support <

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direct question.

So there you go again, ignoring the issue which was about the hypocrisy of you whinging about the SNP being ignored and therefore the whole of Scotland, highland cattle & all being ignored when the SNP had intended to do worse. It became farcical when you stated that they were not being locked out of Westminster. What was that about? A whinge in waiting maybe?

I should by rights ignore your question, as you ignore the questions of others, which has been answered several times; the SNP being masters/mistresses of miseading spin, have managed to fool some of the Scottish electorate.

I see you quoted Wings Over Natland without stating it. An irrelevant quote, tnot supporting your conclusion at all. You muddle up the process with the intent.

Skintmacflint was right on the nail a few posts back, so keep it up.The SNP is continuing its own demolition.

Tromking

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I'm sure you are aware that the Scottish government does not have the full powers available to balance their full desires.)

There all there as soon as the enough of the Scottish people want them......but as you already know, they never will.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

So there you go again, ignoring the issue which was about the hypocrisy of you whinging about the SNP being ignored and therefore the whole of Scotland, highland cattle & all being ignored when the SNP had intended to do worse. It became farcical when you stated that they were not being locked out of Westminster. What was that about? A whinge in waiting maybe?

Noooo. You misunderstood me. I'm not particularly bothered by Yvette Cooper and her stating that she wouldn't 'work with' the SNP. However, pointing out that a potential Labour leader, IS ruling it out five years in advance, and that perhaps is not really the best unionist thing to do,) in terms of politics and 'keeping the UK together'). Is simple fact.

Ignoring the SNP = Ignoring most of Scotland's voters wishes. Not so good... for the notion that Scotland is an 'equal part' of the Union at all. The SNP will like that. It's a wonderful boost for them if it plays this way over the next few years.

I should by rights ignore your question, as you ignore the questions of others, which has been answered several times; the SNP being masters/mistresses of miseading spin, have managed to fool some of the Scottish electorate.

62% of them it seems.. as of today. And all without media support to spin anything much.

Nicola Sturgeon’s bandwagon rolls on: a new poll puts the SNP on 62%....And it helps explain, a little, why the SNP is now polling at 62 percent. You read that correctly: 62 percent. Today’s Herald/TNS poll suggests the SNP could win 78 seats at next year’s Scottish parliament elections.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/08/nicola-sturgeons-bandwagon-rolls-on-a-new-poll-puts-the-snp-on-62/

I see you quoted Wings Over Natland without stating it. An irrelevant quote, tnot supporting your conclusion at all. You muddle up the process with the intent.

He himself was quoting directly from the study, from which, there is a link in the middle of the quote for you. So you didn't have to soil your fingers visiting Wings. I was only thinking of you. Kippers came home if there was any danger of a Lib Dem or Labour MP being voted in rather than a Tory. In other areas, they stuck with UKIP = Tory win.

Skintmacflint was right on the nail a few posts back, so keep it up.The SNP is continuing its own demolition.

That's still wishful thinking at the moment.

Even so, it all helps demonstrate the extent to which Nicola Sturgeon is kevlar-plated these days. A reminder, too, that Labour’s lost votes aren’t returning to the coop any time soon. They’re gone for the foreseeable future...

...Common sense says this SNP bubble must deflate eventually but common sense is not the force she once was. As it is, however, there are plenty of voters who think the SNP is not performing quite as well as it might but who will still vote for the Nationalists anyway. Because their heart is in the right place. A neat trick, right enough.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/08/nicola-sturgeons-bandwagon-rolls-on-a-new-poll-puts-the-snp-on-62/

Massie has the same thoughts re the SNP as you do. However, at least he's a realist with it.

IveSeenTheLight

Tromking wrote: »

There all there as soon as the enough of the Scottish people want them......but as you already know, they never will.

Never say never.

In 1979, the majority of voters voted for Independence, however the criteria was not met in terms of the overall population turnout.

In 2014, there only needed to be a 5% swing

It is not inconceivable that there could be a time when the future electorate desires the change

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I'm sure you are aware that the Scottish government does not have the full powers available to balance their full desires.

Maybe we'll see it one day

are you saying the Scottish government has no powers at all to diversify or encourage entrepreneurs in Scotland?

You will be aware that when the SNP join the EU they will never have 'full' powers as their leading powers and budget deficit and many tax rates and ability to support industry will be determined by the EU.

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

are you saying the Scottish government has no powers at all to diversify or encourage entrepreneurs in Scotland?

You will be aware that when the SNP join the EU they will never have 'full' powers as their leading powers and budget deficit and many tax rates and ability to support industry will be determined by the EU.

Are you saying that the UK does not have the ability to self govern as a member of the EU?

Are you saying that Norway does not have the ability to self govern as a member of EFTA?

It's very clear that many seem to be hemmed in with the here and now, status quo, no ability to change goinf forward.

I guess Cameron has no options for negotiation ahead of the EU referendum.

Let's all just shut up then and accept what we get then :rolleyes: