Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

purch

The frequency with which the title of this thread changes is about the only thing remotely interesting about it :eek:

elantan

purch wrote: »

The frequency with which the title of this thread changes is about the only thing remotely interesting about it :eek:

Aye it has me giggling as well

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

When the majority of Scottish people voted to keep the Union, it was with the knowledge of this EU referendum and the implications it could bring. They also accepted that sometimes Scotland ends up with government in Westminster not of the first choice of many Scots.

If SNP were so concerned about this why didn't they make a bigger deal out of it in their campaign. Instead of banging on about their usual suspects.

Seems to me that if the vote is to stay in the EU, will take about 3 weeks for SNP to come back with another excuse to keep their Neverendum.

Please, try and be honest with yourself. When it came to the EU and the Scottish referendum.. the only thing that was splashed all over newspapers, tv another outlets, headline after headline... was that a Yes vote meant Scotland leaving the EU and the consequences of that. ( I disagreed but no shock there ).

Even here, where I frequently tried to push the fact that a No vote would mean uncertainty because there may be an in/out referendum to come wasn't taken very seriously. It was ALL about Scotland being 'kicked out'. Ask string, because he and I went back and forth many times on this issue.

The newspapers weren't interested in what the SNP had to say on EU membership.. only what Barroso and anyone official from Spain thought.

Let's not try and rewrite recent history here. It was 'Vote Yes and out of the EU you go'.... not 'Vote No, and mabye out of the EU you go'.

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

Nope wasn't the first page in the book I read. Nor was it in Salmonds foreword which told me all about his views, i.e. I believe, it is my belief etc. Followed by with a Yes vote , We i.e. SNP will then do this and that, and we will all walk off forever happy into the sunset etc.

Unless you mean the comment on the first page that if Scotland votes No, we will stay at a standstill, was supposed to highlight that this was an unbiased document.

By this time I was of the opinion it was an SNP document, and skipped straight into the sections on employment and social etc. by the time I'd read these sections I realised this book was as misleading as Salmonds photo in the foreword.

I honestly don't know anyone who voted Yes, who read that Paper, and I asked a number of people . A very good friend had tried an attempt at the Wee Blue book, but gave up on that as well. So only one had read that.

So don't try to convince me the majority of new rabid SNP supporters read it, you might have but you're in a minority.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. However, broad brushing wide swathes of people because of your own experiences isn't particularly convincing either. And it WAS online in full too. You can have no idea who read it and who didn't.

You said you thought the white paper was supposed to be non-political. I pointed out it was a 'guide' to a post Yes vote Scotland and what the government intended to do immediately afterwards. So you were under the wrong impression.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Please, try and be honest with yourself. When it came to the EU and the Scottish referendum.. the only thing that was splashed all over newspapers, tv another outlets, headline after headline... was that a Yes vote meant Scotland leaving the EU and the consequences of that. ( I disagreed but no shock there ).

Even here, where I frequently tried to push the fact that a No vote would mean uncertainty because there may be an in/out referendum to come wasn't taken very seriously. It was ALL about Scotland being 'kicked out'. Ask string, because he and I went back and forth many times on this issue.

The newspapers weren't interested in what the SNP had to say on EU membership.. only what Barroso and anyone official from Spain thought.

Let's not try and rewrite recent history here. It was 'Vote Yes and out of the EU you go'.... not 'Vote No, and mabye out of the EU you go'.

What the SNP had to say on the EU was fully reported. They repeatedly and often stated that Scotland was a member of the EU and wouldn't need to re-apply to join.

Let's not rewrite recent history

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

There isn't such an entity as rUK. It can't vote for anything and any EU vote shouldn't trigger another part in the Neverendum series. It's hardly been a secret that this vote is coming.

I've answered the 'no secret this vote was coming' in another post.

But NI has the ability to call a border poll/unity referendum whenever it likes if the UK status quo changes. So there is precedent. Scotland could ask for the same I suppose. No reason why not eh.

Northern Ireland Secretary Theresa Villiers can call a border poll at any time, according to the 1998 Good Friday agreement that brought about peace. It also specifies that the cabinet minister shall order a referendum if it appears likely that a majority of those voting would seek to form part of a united Ireland.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/scotland-independence-vote/scottish-referendum-sinn-feins-martin-mcguinness-calls-for-northern-ireland-border-poll-following-scotland-result-30600629.html

And haven't Deutsche Bank had a bit of a change of heart this morning...

Many of Europe’s most prosperous regions could be better off by going it alone and abandoning the nation states of which they are currently a part, according to a Deutsche Bank report.

The bank has identified regions in Spain, Italy, Belgium, and even the UK that could potentially benefit from independence.

Relatively rich parts of these countries have been required to prop up their less prosperous peers, according to the report, with the prospect of lower tax burdens fuelling an appetite for autonomy.


These regions, along with the Basque country and Navarre in Spain, Flanders in Belgium, South Tyrol in Italy, and Scotland - despite the failure in September of the referendum push for independence - were also identified as potential candidates for greater autonomy.

All but one of the seven regions named in the report boast per capita incomes higher than their nation’s respective averages.
Only output in Scotland fail to match the national average, at 92.9pc of the typical level. Yet when Deutsche accounted for oil deposits based on their location, Scottish production rose to 115pc of the UK average.
“Nearly all the regions are among the wealthiest in their respective countries,” said Barbara Boettcher, an economist at Deutsche Bank. “The patently unequal treatment of regions appears detrimental to the general acceptance of the current system.”..


..The bank also noted that setting up a new administration, including separate defence and diplomatic spending, “naturally comes at a price”. “However these risks [of going it alone] have decreased for smaller countries; paradoxically, this is especially due to European integration,” it continued.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11401125/The-European-regions-that-could-be-better-of-going-it-alone.html

One for the bookmarks.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

What the SNP had to say on the EU was fully reported. They repeatedly and often stated that Scotland was a member of the EU and wouldn't need to re-apply to join.

Let's not rewrite recent history

No-one asked officially. The SNP said that Scotland would be negotiating its EU position from within the EU ( which obviously it would have been until independence ). I think you might be rewriting history too somewhat.

ruggedtoast

purch wrote: »

The frequency with which the title of this thread changes is about the only thing remotely interesting about it :eek:

The mods have given me a stern warning.

Leanne1812

Generali wrote: »

I thought you wanted to give up the referendum thing.

I gave up smoking.

It was hard.

I did it by not smoking.

Perhaps the way not to referendum is not to referendum.

Just a thought.

You might find it hard also.

Giving up past things can be hard sometimes.

Who started this thread....was it a pro indy rabid cybernat?

Surprisingly no it wasn't!

Who contributes most frequently in this thread?

You'd be forgiven for thinking that some are so disgusted at the thought that others wanted to leave the union they just cannot get over it

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No-one asked officially. The SNP said that Scotland would be negotiating its EU position from within the EU ( which obviously it would have been until independence ). I think you might be rewriting history too somewhat.

I agree that the SNP didn't ask officially : they simply and repeatedly claimed there was no need as they would 'remain' part of the EU as of right.

Maybe you should try rereading recent history.