Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

CLAPTON

Tromking wrote: »

Will you not concede that a federal arrangement with an English Parliament is preferable to the current shambles?

One would need to evaluate a specific set of proposals to see if such an arrangement made sense

at the moment there is no shambles : only the potential threat of a shambles :

Leanne1812

I'm posting this as a response to the person who said we should be ashamed of the SNP MP's.

Mhairi Black, 20 years old. The youngest MP since the 1600's.

A real person, filled with enthusiasm for change. That's why she was elected.

I'm liking her very much.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/politics/scottish-politics/mhairi-blacks-diary-of-a-novice-mp-in-which-our-heroine-goes-through-the-.126259431

CLAPTON

Leanne1812 wrote: »

I'm posting this as a response to the person who said we should be ashamed of the SNP MP's.

Mhairi Black, 20 years old. The youngest MP since the 1600's.

A real person, filled with enthusiasm for change. That's why she was elected.

I'm liking her very much.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/politics/scottish-politics/mhairi-blacks-diary-of-a-novice-mp-in-which-our-heroine-goes-through-the-.126259431

I'm sure she's a lovely person and will grow up soon
but I'm not sure I want my laws made by a 20 year with no experience of life and thinks that a 'result' is waking up surrounded by lager cans and pizza.

Leanne1812

CLAPTON wrote: »

I'm sure she's a lovely person and will grow up soon
but I'm not sure I want my laws made by a 20 year with no experience of life and thinks that a 'result' is waking up surrounded by lager cans and pizza.

Well thankfully David Cameron never had access to Twitter when he was a lad or we'd have read about hanging Mandela perhaps.......

CLAPTON

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Well thankfully David Cameron never had access to Twitter when he was a lad or we'd have read about hanging Mandela perhaps.......

That is true

which is why it would be better if MPs had some wide range of experience before becoming an MP


No idea what Mandela has to do with anything.

Leanne1812

CLAPTON wrote: »

That is true

which is why it would be better if MPs had some wide range of experience before becoming an MP


No idea what Mandela has to do with anything.

I mentioned Mandela in reference to something I read earlier about perspective.

I say give the girl a chance. She may well have had more life experience than we know about.

chewmylegoff

zagubov wrote: »

I voted for it to have devolution for an assembly and a mayor.

I reckon that the northern cities getting elected mayors, devolved budgets would be a shot in the arm for them. Next step after that, if they want it, would be local assemblies for their region.

Because what we really really need is just loads more politicians.

I already seem to be subject to a parish council, borough council, county council and central government. Adding in a regional assembly on top of thst would be ludicrous.

The desire for more politicians baffles me. The ones we have are rubbish, why would you want to pay higher taxes to employ more idiots to govern you.

CLAPTON

Leanne1812 wrote: »

I mentioned Mandela in reference to something I read earlier about perspective.

I say give the girl a chance. She may well have had more life experience than we know about.

fortunately she is one in 650 so will probably do little harm : I'm sure she will grow up one day but that may be for the good or bad


Mandela was a failure.
He whipped out on the important issues

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

I'm sure she's a lovely person and will grow up soon
but I'm not sure I want my laws made by a 20 year with no experience of life and thinks that a 'result' is waking up surrounded by lager cans and pizza.

Clapton, give it up. You won. All of it. At least try and enjoy it.

You are a middle class, home owning, white, English man who lives in a country that for living memory has existed to serve the interests of middle class, home owning, white, English men.

You once again have a government whose only mandate is to worry about the interests of you. Before announcing any new policy announcement you can rest assured that David Cameron has spent hours worrying over reports from focus groups of middle class, home owning, white, English men to make sure everything is entirely acceptable to them.

All of those cuts that are affecting youth services, state education, social housing, benefits for the working poor. They have all been carefully chosen so that not one drop of pain might land on the delicate and endangered shoulders of middle class, home owning, white, English man,

The fact that a handful of MPs in Westminster, an institution largely composed of middle class, home owning, white, English men, might actually be thinking about other people, shouldn't worry you.

The SNP aren't going to come and eat you in your bed and Mairi whatshername isn't going to change any of the laws that have been so artfully created by middle class, home owning, white, English men to protect the interests of middle class, home owning, white, English men.

So just relax and enjoy your life. If you can't I don't see who can.

Tromking

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Because what we really really need is just loads more politicians.

I already seem to be subject to a parish council, borough council, county council and central government. Adding in a regional assembly on top of thst would be ludicrous.

The desire for more politicians baffles me. The ones we have are rubbish, why would you want to pay higher taxes to employ more idiots to govern you.

A federal system in all likelihood would provide us with a net loss in politicians.
No doubling up of as we have at moment with representatives from Ulster, Wales and Scotland attending Westminster in large numbers. A federal government with only 100 seats seems about right and the HOL with 800 or so potential attendees would be consigned to the constitutional dustbin surely.