Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

IveSeenTheLight

Generali wrote: »

We live in interesting times. Time will tell what will happen.

True.

one positive thing about this for the whole of the UK is how the electorate are engaging in politics.

Scotland leads the way with a higher turnout and I would factor that some of the ROUK turnout has also increased as a direct result of the SNP strength.

Lets hope that the politicians can learn to communicate even better with the electorate and grow the interest further.

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

Forget the silly analogies from others.

Scotland remains a part of the United Kingdom and the majority of Scots want to remain part of the United Kingdom yet at the same time have voted for the party that wants Scotland not to be part of the United Kingdom.

So what happens? The SNP have little power to disrupt AFAICS but they form a large enough group to engage positively with the process.

We live in interesting times. Time will tell what will happen.

My point is that it was Alex Salmond who used the lion analogy when it doesn't really amount to much.

We all skirt around some difficult issues regards Scotland.

- It is a small part of UK

- It does have an ability to punch above it's weight in political terms.

- Currently, it needs net subsidy from the whole of the UK. This position could change. It's not a trifling amount.

- Independence for Scotland would satisfy the SNP goals, but how do you resolve things like the subsidy issue? Someone will end up making concessions, and it won't be liked by all.

I think that the process of disruption is an effective political tactic, but it drains away from the core issues such as our need to rebalance the economy.

Thrugelmir

Generali wrote: »

Scotland remains a part of the United Kingdom and the majority of Scots want to remain part of the United Kingdom yet at the same time have voted for the party that wants Scotland not to be part of the United Kingdom.

Majority of Scots have not voted for SNP nor independence. That's the challenge for Nicola now. To actually deliver something.

ruggedtoast

Cameron is like the cat that got the cream today. Labour wiped out in Scotland. 50 impotent SNP MPs in Westminster and the Scottish electorate expecting them to deliver the earth. Just as they get handed fiscal independence.

mgdavid

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Cameron is like the cat that got the cream today. Labour wiped out in Scotland. 50 impotent SNP MPs in Westminster and the Scottish electorate expecting them to deliver the earth. Just as they get handed fiscal independence.

absolutely spot-on

Generali

.string. wrote: »

Every Select committee ? That's interesting; that will keep them busy.


I suppose there will be some "English Only Committees" which they can't join, when they implement the English-only voting system for English matters. That will be a fruitful source for a lot of whinging there methinks.

That's how I understand that it works (and I really am not an expert so apologies if this is balderdash).

AIUI, the largest three parties by number of seats gets at least one seat on each select committee.

Better_Days

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Cameron is like the cat that got the cream today. Labour wiped out in Scotland. 50 impotent SNP MPs in Westminster and the Scottish electorate expecting them to deliver the earth. Just as they get handed fiscal independence.

Agreed but will he be able to deliver a referendum on Europe without the party 'stabbing itself in the back' as someone said on another thread?

Generali

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

What about the Welsh, do they get to join?

Like it or not, the Conservatives are no longer Unionists

I'm not sure if you saw Mr Cameron's speech outside No. 10 but he made it very clear that he sees himself as PM of the UK, not of England. I thought it was quite a good speech actually from someone I don't rate highly as a public speaker.

IveSeenTheLight

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Majority of Scots have not voted for SNP nor independence. That's the challenge for Nicola now. To actually deliver something.

The majority of voters in Scotland did vote for the SNP.

The majority of voters did not vote for Conservative, Labour, UKIP , Lib Dems or any other party.

Nicola has been delivering, but you also have to remember, Nicola will not be at Westminster, which this election was for.

Angus Robertson will be the likely SNP Leader at Westminster

IveSeenTheLight

I tell you, journalists need to have a good look at themselves as well.

Just heard some journo ask John Swinney 6 different questions on when the SNP will go for another referendum, to which John Swinney reitterated 6 times, that the SNP have no plans for another referendum and that even if they achieved all 59 seats, it was still not a mandate for another referendum

Sometimes you get people in this world that are reflective of my signature