Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

elantan

Generali wrote: »

It's been a very long time since Scotland was a Sovereign body (ie a country).

Its still a country, all be it in a union with other countries

Shakethedisease

wotsthat wrote: »

Why are you so offended about being considered a canvasser for the SNP? I think you should get out there to be honest and see what real people think when you tell them that, personally, you think a Tory majority is better than a lab/ SNP coalition.

The SNP aren't dreaming of a Tory majority, neither are SNP voters and, to be honest, even the internet thinks it's a strange idea.

I'm not offended. I just wouldn't want you to be building up wee stories in your head about people you've never met.

A Tory majority, is something even the Daily Record is saying the SNP would be happy with. But whatever happens everyone will just have to get on with eh ?

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/torcuil-crichton-tory-victory-right-4979988

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

Pot kettle black springs to mind here. 'Don't make assumptions about me , you don't know me'., as you have a habit of saying. My wife meanwhile had a good laugh at your suggestion. If you were male I'd have said get a grip man. But seems as how you're so easily offended ( when it suits I think ) I've now changed it to get a grip Mate. Hope that is acceptable to you.

No need to clear things up. 'Get a grip woman' sounds a bit Sid Jamesy to me that's all. And you do keep slipping into the habit of making general things I've said into me v's you.

Now I've hopefully cleared that up, I agree for the short term , it seems every possible combination is a win and full of possibility for SNP to play with up here just now. SNP have played a very clever tactical physchological campaign and many have fallen for it, hook line and sinker. It's now anti Westminster and Salmond must be delighted. But let's face it up until now, they've always got someone else to blame.

It's the long game which counts now. I hope the other parties will get a grip and start to use their heads. Because I can see the effect a 45/55 split on opinion has caused both here and the UK. And I don't think it's good for either .

I think the other parties are probably running out of time.

And you just seem to go on forever, or didn't you read the bit about somewhat misleading. As it happens your post stuck in my mind, due to Elantans reference to Breaking Bad. Not hard to find my post re that, as I don't have as many as you do on here. Lol.

^^^^^^ This is you v's me again. There are others with vastly more posts on this forum than I do. I confine myself to one or two threads here that are scottish based as the subject ( obviously ) interests me. I run forums etc elsewhere for a living.. and actually come here to relax and talk about something else.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

In my view, using political manoeuvring to achieve their goals is a dodgy game for the SNP in this instance. This includes leveraging a marginal position in terms of seats to punch above their weight come the next GE. Scotland will

That's a strange thing to say surely ? How can any party be accused of political leveraging in order to punch above their weight in a general election ? Any party will standing will get seats depending on how many votes they get. Hardly political manoeuvering getting votes in an election. That's what they're for.

Why can't they be more positive? Scotland has some terrific resources. The SNP can promote positive economic policy and demonstrate the way to the rest of the UK by outperforming other regions.

But that would be far too sensible...

The SNP are always positive about Scotland and it's resources. Their economic policies within the constraints a devolved govt are pretty well liked up here. And it does out perform many 'regions'. The SNP's contention is that it can do better with more powers economically.

I think you'll probably find that it's others, pretty much across the board, and certainly within the last 2 or 3 years.. who are very negative about Scotland and it's resources.

Generali

elantan wrote: »

Its still a country, all be it in a union with other countries

No, Scotland is a nation not a country. And save me from a Google of an idiot website too.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

That's a strange thing to say surely ? How can any party be accused of political leveraging in order to punch above their weight in a general election ? Any party will standing will get seats depending on how many votes they get. Hardly political manoeuvering getting votes in an election. That's what they're for.
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This is exactly what the LibDems did at the last election.

They held a minority position, and leveraged it. The common view you see espoused now is that they sold out.

It might work out for the SNP. Stranger things have happened. They could antagonise other parties though; much bigger parties.

.string.

elantan wrote: »

I know many Scots, surrounded by them on all sides

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

This is exactly what the LibDems did at the last election.

They held a minority position, and leveraged it. The common view you see espoused now is that they sold out.

It might work out for the SNP. Stranger things have happened. They could antagonise other parties though; much bigger parties.

They went into a formal coalition. The sold out view espoused now is more down to the fact they voted against or for principles and policies they'd previously stood by in order to get elected. I think the SNP might be much smarter than that, or at least have learned much from Lib Dem mistakes. Especially since their leader won't actually be there and will remain in Scotland. There will be a distinct distance there ( from Nicola Sturgeon and the MSP's in Scotland ) that the Lib Dems couldn't possibly have had. Yet Nicola will be in charge of directing the MP's in Westminster.

However, you may be right of course. As for antagonising other parties. I think that's part and parcel of what Westminster is all about. If they all agreed with each other it'd be pretty boring. Neither Labour or the Tories will be forced into doing anything like dissolving the Union. The SNP contingent can't possibly ever hope to exert that much power ( which is why am a bit puzzled by the media going a bit OTT with that narrative ).. Just more powers possibly improving on Smith, or at the very least, stop them being watered down. Mabye dragging Labour a bit leftwards as well. Milliband might actually even be glad of an 'excuse' to pass some bills that he wants.. but doesn't dare to at the moment ?

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

A Tory majority, is something even the Daily Record is saying the SNP would be happy with.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/torcuil-crichton-tory-victory-right-4979988

Well yes, we've ascertained some time ago that just about every possible scenario is brilliant for the SNP (including an outright Tory majority).

You've not mentioned the people voting SNP. Are they really going to be happy with a Tory majority - you're testing credulity if you think the answer's yes. Maybe they lack the chiselled strategic mindset required to see just how great it'll be to have David Cameron as PM for another 5 years.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

But whatever happens everyone will just have to get on with eh ?

I've just nominated that for the MSE irony award of 2015.

CLAPTON

The one and only objective for the SNP after the election is to persuade more Scottish voters that independence is desirable.

Whether or not the SNP upset the other MPs or the Welsh or Northern Irish or the English voters matters not one iota.

The SNP will only be looking to see how their actions play out in Scotland.

And why not, they don't want to be part of the Union?

They might overplay their hand: but that is only relevant if they antagonise the Scottish voters.