Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

It can be hard to tell the difference between the two with extremists.

Did you just call me an extremist ? Calm your pants well down mate. :eek: I know the stark realisation that the Tories may be out of power for five years, and the SNP might be in with Labour.. might have upset you somewhat. But there's really no need for that sort of talk.

If you can't handle politics and they way things work and play out under FPTP in the UK..then simply stay out of UK politcs threads. Mabye chill somewhere else on the boards where you're mabye more used to people hanging on your every word, and never dare point out that your posts are just not correct.

There is nothing extreme in discussing what is happening in the here and now regarding the next election. The general consensus is that the SNP may well hold the balance of power if the polls play out. Which is why there are Tory posters everywhere of Alex Salmond coming to a place near you in England sometime soon.. ( not you obviously ).. A desperate attempt to scare the bejesus out of people into voting Tory rather than Labour.

If my discussing that makes me an extremist.. well then.. it makes everyone else interested in UK politics at the current time just as extreme as I am. I'm ok with that thanks, and you need to start dealing with reality sometime. Don't make this personal, because it's not.

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

ps Five kids, husband, small mortgage, grandchild, tax bill that would curl your toes ( it did mine ) ...a grinning chap in Yes badges terrifying me ? No, because I am the danger, I AM the one who knocks !

Your response to a previous post regarding Yes canvassers ringing doorbells.

Maybe it's somewhat misleading.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Did you just call me an extremist ? Calm your pants well down mate. :eek: I know the stark realisation that the Tories may be out of power for five years, and the SNP might be in with Labour.. might have upset you somewhat. But there's really no need for that sort of talk.

If you can't handle politics and they way things work and play out under FPTP in the UK..then simply stay out of UK politcs threads. Mabye chill somewhere else on the boards where you're mabye more used to people hanging on your every word, and never dare point out that your posts are just not correct.

There is nothing extreme in discussing what is happening in the here and now regarding the next election. The general consensus is that the SNP may well hold the balance of power if the polls play out. Which is why there are Tory posters everywhere of Alex Salmond coming to a place near you in England sometime soon.. ( not you obviously ).. A desperate attempt to scare the bejesus out of people into voting Tory rather than Labour.

If my discussing that makes me an extremist.. well then.. it makes everyone else interested in UK politics at the current time just as extreme as I am. I'm ok with that thanks, and you need to start dealing with reality sometime. Don't make this personal, because it's not.

You sure use a lot of personal pronouns for someone that isn't making something personal.

The SNP wants to break up the country, that's extreme.

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

Your response to a previous post regarding Yes canvassers ringing doorbells.

Maybe it's somewhat misleading.

I have never been out canvassing for SNP votes during this election run up. Which is what wotsthat was implying when I s p e l l e d things out for him about the SNP's position for this election. I made no reference to the referendum, or any part I may, or may not ( you also know nothing about me ) have taken part in.

The 'I am the one who knocks' thing was in reference to a post by ruggedtoast.. who likes to post about razing Holyrood to the ground, and playing Yes voters crying after the referendum on tv on loop. And has in the past said they thought I was in some sort of 'cult', and obviously had 'nothing else in my life' and has also intimated that I and others here are in need of some sort of 'anger therapy' because we have 'no sense of belonging'..This thread title in fact was a result of string starting one.. but with a title that garnered little interest. And I sarcastically said that there would be much more interest should the title be 'Fatty Salmond and Fishface Sturgeon etc...' . I was obviously correct.

You'll forgive me if I respond to the obvious jokey nature of those sorts of posts, in similarly jokey fashion. Context is always good if you're going to make the extremely concentrated effort of wading through someone's entire posting history in order to 'prove a point'.. Wouldn't you agree ? Read several of the posts either side of them. Otherwise you may be in danger of posting misleading, and once again, personal and aimed at the person, not the content, posts yourself.

ps I realise ruggedtoast may not be actually joking. I just choose to treat their posts as such these days.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

You sure use a lot of personal pronouns for someone that isn't making something personal.

The SNP wants to break up the country, that's extreme.

Well, if that's the way it plays out because people democratically vote that way.. then that's the way it plays out. End of. Thats just how politics works.

Scotland is a country.. The UK is a Union of.. well, the clue in the name.. Talking and discussing the way this particular election might work out, doesn't make me, nor anyone else interested or awake to the possibilities an extremist. Nor does correcting you, or anyone else here for that matter, when you plainly get basic info wrong. There are more read threads like these than ever contribute to them.

I use personal pronouns a lot because the last two pages of posts have been directed at me. Most of them on a personal basis ( lack of coherence, losing one's marbles, extremist, misleading, brown sauce with my chip etc ).. which is just an indication of losing one's way in a general discussion.

I'd just rather posts, if they continue in this thread, do so without getting into all the name-calling stuff. If you can't argue the point, or make a new one without stooping to levels like that ? Why bother at all ? Just move on to another area that interests.

The Tories look like they're on their way out. Labour and SNP on their way in. Call me extreme, but..it just looks that way.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Well, if that's the way it plays out because people democratically vote that way.. then that's the way it plays out. End of. Thats just how politics works.

Scotland is a country.. The UK is a Union of.. well, the clue in the name.. Talking and discussing the way this particular election might work out, doesn't make me, nor anyone else interested or awake to the possibilities an extremist. Nor does correcting you, or anyone else here for that matter, when you plainly get basic info wrong. There are more read threads like these than ever contribute to them.

I use personal pronouns a lot because the last two pages of posts have been directed at me. Most of them on a personal basis ( lack of coherence, losing one's marbles, extremist, misleading, brown sauce with my chip etc ).. which is just an indication of losing one's way in a general discussion.

I'd just rather posts, if they continue in this thread, do so without getting into all the name-calling stuff. If you can't argue the point, or make a new one without stooping to levels like that ? Why bother at all ? Just move on to another area that interests.

The Tories look like they're on their way out. Labour and SNP on their way in. Call me extreme, but..it just looks that way.

People sometimes vote for extremists. The Nazis and Communists have won elections in the past. Just because something is Democratic doesn't mean it's always good.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

People sometimes vote for extremists. The Nazis and Communists have won elections in the past. Just because something is Democratic doesn't mean it's always good.

Well, if we're getting into the realms of saying that voting SNP in on par with voting for Nazi's and Communists.. then the majority of the Scottish electorate has been doing so, since 2007.. and has had them in Government. Even greater share of the vote in 2011 too.

They've been 'good' so far.. or 'competent' whatever you want to call it on most policies and general day to day running of a devolved government. The independence thing, well.. that's not been proven. Referendum lost. However, there's no real reason to assume after 7 years, that they haven't a clue what they are doing in a Government context. They've explicitly said that this election isn't about independence. And I don't think anyone really believes, that in May, we're voting for Nazi's or anything even vaguely similar or extremist.

It would do well if you remember that the SNP have been in power already in Scotland for a long time, and look like being for a wee while yet. Up here we know them, live with their politicians and policies every day. It's them popping up possibly en masse in Westminster thats new to everyone else.. But not up here. The SNP in Government is nothing at all new to Scots.

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

An in/out EU referendum will only happen if a Conservative majority govt takes office in May. This now looks extremely unlikely.

Insults demean you and your arguments. Again, try to stick to content rather than personalising the debate. It's boring for all concerned. 'Get a grip woman' sounds a bit 1970's chauvinistic for me.

Pot kettle black springs to mind here. 'Don't make assumptions about me , you don't know me'., as you have a habit of saying. My wife meanwhile had a good laugh at your suggestion. If you were male I'd have said get a grip man. But seems as how you're so easily offended ( when it suits I think ) I've now changed it to get a grip Mate. Hope that is acceptable to you.

Now I've hopefully cleared that up, I agree for the short term , it seems every possible combination is a win and full of possibility for SNP to play with up here just now. SNP have played a very clever tactical physchological campaign and many have fallen for it, hook line and sinker. It's now anti Westminster and Salmond must be delighted. But let's face it up until now, they've always got someone else to blame.

It's the long game which counts now. I hope the other parties will get a grip and start to use their heads. Because I can see the effect a 45/55 split on opinion has caused both here and the UK. And I don't think it's good for either .

skintmacflint

And you just seem to go on forever, or didn't you read the bit about somewhat misleading. As it happens your post stuck in my mind, due to Elantans reference to Breaking Bad. Not hard to find my post re that, as I don't have as many as you do on here. Lol.

Leanne1812

My goodness.........what a carry on.

What started as a 'jokey' thread has gotten a bit serious lately.

Is it because this small irrelevant scottish party looks like it may have a bit of a say in what happens in UK wide politics? Does the very thought make most of you shudder?...

Well, the news is quite a lot Scots seem to quite like this party. Quite a lot of Scots feel this party have Scotlands best interests at heart. That makes quite a lot of us want to support them and actually vote for them in this election. Those who don't like them won't vote for them, simples.

If this means quite a lot of SNP MP's are off to Westminster to shake things up a bit then you'll all need to accept this. It is the democratic will of the people. You know, just like the losing side had to accept the outcome after the referendum.


Cheers :beer:



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