Beware scam re Raspberry Ketones slimming pills

sdacombe

I have found my daughter has been scammed by these people to the tune of roughly £200. She is in the process of speaking to the bank trying to stop them taking anymore money. I got through to some sort of customer service, on a phone number that will probably cost me a fortune(I can't remember the number off hand). I spoke to a guy basically giving it the line that my daughter never cancelled within the 14 days boll@cks. Realising, I was unlikely to get anywhere, I tried to get reassurance that it was now cancelled. He assured me it was now cancelled(I don't believe him)

Anyway, I will follow some of the advice on here about VISA chargeback and hopefully she will get some of the money back after time and effort.

But it misses the point ... this is a SCAM and surely somebody(FACT or InterPol or whoever) should have the ability of putting whoever is behind this in jail. I know what I would do to them if I found them!!!

Does anybody have details on prevention(i.e. stopping them do this to others). I would happily pay a few hundred pounds(I would assume there are a few others who would also club together) to get these people sorted out but our supposed "just" society frowns on that ... but our "just" society doesn't do anything to fix these sort of problems.

Before people think I'm some sort of thug, the whole western world needs to change to bring back discipline, structure, justice and well being. We need to have the ability of stopping people like those behind these scams!!!!!! All thoughts greatly received.

ConsumerGuy0016

sdacombe wrote: »

I have found my daughter has been scammed by these people to the tune of roughly £200. She is in the process of speaking to the bank trying to stop them taking anymore money. I got through to some sort of customer service, on a phone number that will probably cost me a fortune(I can't remember the number off hand). I spoke to a guy basically giving it the line that my daughter never cancelled within the 14 days boll@cks. Realising, I was unlikely to get anywhere, I tried to get reassurance that it was now cancelled. He assured me it was now cancelled(I don't believe him)

Anyway, I will follow some of the advice on here about VISA chargeback and hopefully she will get some of the money back after time and effort.

But it misses the point ... this is a SCAM and surely somebody(FACT or InterPol or whoever) should have the ability of putting whoever is behind this in jail. I know what I would do to them if I found them!!!

Does anybody have details on prevention(i.e. stopping them do this to others). I would happily pay a few hundred pounds(I would assume there are a few others who would also club together) to get these people sorted out but our supposed "just" society frowns on that ... but our "just" society doesn't do anything to fix these sort of problems.

Before people think I'm some sort of thug, the whole western world needs to change to bring back discipline, structure, justice and well being. We need to have the ability of stopping people like those behind these scams!!!!!! All thoughts greatly received.

Stick to posting your rants in the Daily Mail comments section.

All the information relevant to Raspberry Ketones slimming pills is already readily available on this forum.

sdacombe

No its not. How do you stop these people ripping off other people in the future. I might be ranting ... but your sarchy comment isn't very helpful!!!!!

wealdroam

sdacombe wrote: »

No its not. How do you stop these people ripping off other people in the future.

Re-read post #3.
In several of the one hundred and fifty four threads mentioned, there is information on what to do to both reclaim your money and stop these con merchants.

To stop these rogues, the law needs to change. You need to speak to your MP to make that happen.

Of course, that only works if the rogue company is UK based. It appears that people are buying this stuff from places like Costa Rica or the Virgin Islands, and unfortunately in those cases UK legislation will be ineffective.

The only sure way of not getting caught is to read every single word on the website before getting your credit or debit card out.

Sorry, but there is no shortcut... you just need to be vigilant.

sdacombe

I am really sorry if people think I'm going over old ground here. I have read literally thousands of posts now and the comments still don't cut it.

I will be writing to numerous organisations and MP's, but I know that will get me no where. Is there any person/group making it there purpose in life to get these people off the streets. Because everything I have read says they have had this or that judgement against them/whoever... but it obviously doesn't work.

The free trial tablets ... are they signed for? My wife and daughter can't remember? Also does anybody have some links to sites without the t&c's on.(I have looked on the numerous posts but I can't find any)

Foxymum666

I unwittingly have been taken in by this con. I ordered the products two weeks ago, they only arrived last week so have not had long to try them. I then received two emails saying that my bank account would be debited for two sums of £79.95 which I most definitely cannot afford. I do not recall seeing anything about signing up to receiving more products and being charged this ridiculous amount of money for some tablets. I contacted the seller about it, who said the £79.95 was for each bottle of tablets I had already received, which I bought on a "try before you buy" basis. I said considering I had only had them a week, it was unreasonable for them to assume that people would be willing to continue purchasing more of the product. I was advised it was not their fault the product did not arrive quickly and the 14 days started from when I originally ordered the products. I have told them I do not wish to receive any more products from them, and I want my money back or for them to stop applying for the money from my bank which she refused to do. The only thing she would offer me was £19.99 back for each bottle. I told her it was not good enough, and that it was all a con.


I have since contacted my bank (HSBC) and they advised they could cancel my card but cannot guarantee that the money will not go out as it is a live authorisation. My best option is to wait for the money to go out, and then raise a dispute with them so that they can try and resolve the issue for me.


I am so cross with myself for being taken in by this scam, and I really cannot afford to have £180 going out of my bank account.

wealdroam

sdacombe wrote: »

Also does anybody have some links to sites without the t&c's on.(I have looked on the numerous posts but I can't find any)

Post#11 above has two links which claim to show this, but I haven't checked.

sdacombe

kellys1980 wrote: »

Hi Wealdrom,

But look carefull at the url of that page and where it within the url shows the words "offer05" change them to "offer10" and yu will find the page with no terms at all

https: ( I Put in space here as links get stripped on this forum so remove this ) // ( I Put in space here as links get stripped on this forum so remove this ) ketoneslimxt. ( I Put in space here as links get stripped on this forum so remove this ) com/offer10/order.php?prospectId=1123775&shipcountry=IE&cid=463&AFID=&AFFID=4001&SID=&TID=&AID=&click_id=&C1=137&C2=3802&C3=

Now as yuo will see ion that page there is NO terms at all and what happens is when you buy you then get to next page which offers additional products as an upsell

Hi kellys1980 , when you say there is No terms at all, is that a tick box for reading the t&c's at the visa card entry section. Because there are t&cs at the bottom of the page. (Does that count or not in VISA's eyes) - Hence the reason why I asked for sites earlier in this thread.

Just asking, because I want to know as much as possible before I start Visa Charge back proceedings for my daughter?

Many Thanks for your time!!

kellys1980

sdacombe wrote: »

Hi kellys1980 , when you say there is No terms at all, is that a tick box for reading the t&c's at the visa card entry section. Because there are t&cs at the bottom of the page. (Does that count or not in VISA's eyes) - Hence the reason why I asked for sites earlier in this thread.

Just asking, because I want to know as much as possible before I start Visa Charge back proceedings for my daughter?

Many Thanks for your time!!

The first thing to do is put in the start of the dispute to the bank and i think its meant to be done normally within 120 days by writing to dispute the transaction . Even if you do not have time to write or find all the evidence straight away just start the procedure by disputing the unauthorised payments you can add to it later . I wrote a total of about 4 letters in all

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In the first letter mention that the perpetrators of this deception have a background in organised crime, money laundering and drug smuggling .

It may be the case that the actually companies you used do not have the names of Oded Eddie Kariti and Gabriel Kariti on the Limited Companies however we found on the packing slips they had his company on so could be linked to them and I think if that's the case if you enclose with your letter a print out mentioning their previous arrests with half a million dollars worth of marijuanna etc i will help show that its run by criminals.

I have traced this couple to posting web programming and writing posts on elance so they are in my opinion main people. Elsewhere on this site I posted a list of over 100 UK limited companies most registered by the same person and showing how they are all linked. I have additional lists which show those 100 plus companies have about 40 scam autoship sites and you could tell all are related by the design being so similar

Moreover if its the same site as I am aware of which is linked to the criminals I mentioned you can demand in subsequent letters to the bank to know what your bank has done about the information you provided that indicates there is a strong chance the money is being used for money laundering and drug smuggling .

We mentioned in the fourth letter to them the relevant laws on money laundering and politely reminded the bank of their legal obligations if they in any way they have been assisting organised crime in money laundering. Frankly this is no joke as the evidence I found shows it probably is
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The tiny links at the bottom of the page going to other pages with terms do not count and are not relevant under Visa guidelines.

I simply showed them the screenshots of the links i showed on this site plus screenshots of the fake magazines

In fact for autoshiping recurring payments I believe there must be a check box saying that you agreed to the terms

In fact when the criminals charge back defence company attempts to unsuccessfully defend the chargeback they will initially send the bank screenshots of a site with a check box on .

You and I know they have dozens of almost identical checkout pages with no terms at all and if you paid on such a page the vendor has no chance of winning which is why although its a bit hard to alter the numbers in the url to find them its so vital

Basically if the one you purchased from is the one Im aware of which is Keytone Slim TXT raspberry ketone scam I can assure you will win.

Moreover I can see that many of you in the last year have been scammed by them and the fake newspapers and if you can get the screenshot which shows the way they revolve the payment page it means you have basically caught the criminals with their hand in the till carrying out an indefensible crime and you will win because you can prove the page you purchased from does not have any terms so the payments were unauthorised.

I do wonder if under some circumstances chargebacks can be claimed for longer periods than 120 days and perhaps with such proof some more of you will get the money they stole off you

If you can get print outs of the fake magazines some of you were directed to from facebook do also enclose with your letter to the bank. We pointed out that because there was so many lies on the fake womens health magazine ( we listed over 50 lies ) you can argue that this was made by the scam companies to defraud you and so because of the lies in the fake magazine that any terms they wrote would not have been valid anyway because they will have been invalidated by their fraudulent paper

If its the same site as I mentioned keytome slim txt i can guarantee that with the printouts of their secret pages which they revolve with no terms you will win your money back as you can show you did not agree to any terms. Im afraid its rather hard to have shown the urls on this site and I did my best but if you persist you will see what I mean and you simply tell the bank thats the version you saw

Conclusion: I agree with those of you who are frustrated that this type of scam has been going on so long and no authority has stopped it. Part of the problem is of course because its international that the only people who can stop it are the banks and Visa and I agree that any support from MPs to help do that would be a great help as it seems the UK authorities are seemingly allowing it to happen.

In the USA there has been in the past for autoship scams people being sent to jail for decades for fraud and the perpetrators being fined millions. There is also one or two cases of many victims starting class actions through the courts for damages . I kind of wonder if they are turning upon the UK because they think the authorities here are !!!!less and weak

In the meantime if the banks and Visa took a more aggressive stance to such obvious fraud, and we are talking of millions of pounds stolen.

Bearing in mind that the banks and Visa have known about this scam for over three years I do wonder if there is a case for compensation for people defrauded in last few years as if they had to pay a few million in compensation it would stop them allowing criminals to have merchant accounts

In the meantime good luck with your chargeback claim , we got our money back so you can do it with persistence.

Remember not only can you reclaim your stolen money but each chargeback is one step towards another of their companies loosing their merchant account, although sadly there is over 100 companies to go. Also remember you can escalate it to both the ombudsmen and Visa so be prepared to just keep arguing about it till they give back your stolen money

dvon9

I too fell victim to this scam! There was no "tick" box to read the T&C, you are not highlighted to the fact that applying for your free trial you are signing up to a continuous payment authority so only become aware once the money comes out of your account.
Informed back to stop future payments so if they try to take again the bank will refund. In my case the bank requested the money back from the supplier but they refused.
Called the company and cancelled and told them to refund and that I didn't want anything further to be sent to me. They stated they would refund once I had returned product. I explained that I had not got anything except the trial packs but they insisted they were in transit.
PLEASE search Martin's website for "Chargeback". (Money back for faulty goods or services that aren't delivered. (Your bank requests refund from suppliers bank not the supplier.). This was extremely helpful. :money::T
Download the Chargeback letter template and write to your bank informing them the goods have not arrived and as per the template letter request your money back with 14 days. (Or whichever criteria they did not meet). Result - thank you Martin! £200 was credited back to my account in 14 days.
I hope this helps others in this situation who have been scammed.