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  • cat410
    cat410 Posts: 35 Forumite
    BPA have advised they are a member but not the Approved Operator Scheme with regard to parking charge notices. They have also advised they can investigate evidence of a possible breach of any of the points raised in the Code of Practice. Feel soo angry, if they obtained my sons personal details illegally. The charge notice is in my sons name. Really getting to me now, all this. Feel angry and protective of my son and want someone !!!! kicked for it, but still have this charge hanging over me. Should I write to IAS or just leave it now?
  • bazster
    bazster Posts: 7,436 Forumite
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    For the umpteenth time, they haven't obtained your son's details illegally. You are going to get nowhere with this if you can't grasp that point.

    They are members of the Independent Parking Committee's Accredited Operator Scheme: http://www.theipc.info/#!aos-members/cv75

    According to the negligent and corrupt DVLA (aided and abetted by the spineless ICO) this gives them "reasonable cause" to access your son's details, so you are wasting your time bandying allegations of illegality.

    Only you can decide whether to appeal to the IAS, but if you do so you must do so in the knowledge that your appeal may well be rejected in a sarcastic and cavalier fashion. Some of us would see getting such a rejection as your objective, because it can be a springboard for spraying out further complaints in all sorts of directions, but it's you who would need to make these further complaints.
    Je suis Charlie.
  • cat410
    cat410 Posts: 35 Forumite
    bazster wrote: »
    For the umpteenth time, they haven't obtained your son's details illegally. You are going to get nowhere with this if you can't grasp that point.

    They are members of the Independent Parking Committee's Accredited Operator Scheme: http://www.theipc.info/#!aos-members/cv75

    According to the negligent and corrupt DVLA (aided and abetted by the spineless ICO) this gives them "reasonable cause" to access your son's details, so you are wasting your time bandying allegations of illegality.

    Only you can decide whether to appeal to the IAS, but if you do so you must do so in the knowledge that your appeal may well be rejected in a sarcastic and cavalier fashion. Some of us would see getting such a rejection as your objective, because it can be a springboard for spraying out further complaints in all sorts of directions, but it's you who would need to make these further complaints.
    apologies. Quite stressed with it all. My decision is, I'm ignoring all further correspondence from them. I have enough going on in my life as a carer/mum of a disabled child, to let these scum bags win me over. Thankyou for advise.
  • bazster
    bazster Posts: 7,436 Forumite
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    Ignoring G24 is a plausible course of action, they've never taken anyone to court.
    Je suis Charlie.
  • Half_way
    Half_way Posts: 7,476 Forumite
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    Only you can decide whether to appeal to the IAS, but if you do so you must do so in the knowledge that your appeal may well be rejected in a sarcastic and cavalier fashion.

    You can go down the ignore route, but the letters will continue, if you want to get the wheels rolling with regards to not letting the scumbags win you over then you could go for an IAS appeal, fully expecting to lose and then as above from that use it as a springboard for further complaints.
    Every ludicrous IAS rejection is useful - you can always go back on the ignore road should you wish to do so.
    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
  • bazster
    bazster Posts: 7,436 Forumite
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    Half_way wrote: »
    You can go down the ignore route, but the letters will continue, if you want to get the wheels rolling with regards to not letting the scumbags win you over then you could go for an IAS appeal, fully expecting to lose and then as above from that use it as a springboard for further complaints.
    Every ludicrous IAS rejection is useful - you can always go back on the ignore road should you wish to do so.

    I agree, I'd like to see the IAS undermine itself by issuing many, many of its ridiculous rejections.
    Je suis Charlie.
  • Hot_Bring
    Hot_Bring Posts: 1,596 Forumite
    edited 2 January 2015 at 6:30PM
    cat410 wrote: »
    apologies. Quite stressed with it all. My decision is, I'm ignoring all further correspondence from them. I have enough going on in my life as a carer/mum of a disabled child, to let these scum bags win me over. Thankyou for advise.

    Absolutely ignore G24 - they won't do anything BUT you really should use the details in post #23 to hold the owners to account.
    "The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis." - Dante Alighieri
  • Half_way
    Half_way Posts: 7,476 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Name Dropper
    the thing is you can just ignore, or you can do somethng that may be of use - I was stung once by a PPC ( paying an "ealry bird " discount )
    the next time i received a ticket i turned to Google and then onwards to sites like this one.
    G24 do not own that land. Brockton Pradera Retail LP own it. I would imagine BPR hired G24. Therefore it's time to go all guns blazing in to the CEO of BPR.


    Their actions appear to fly in the face of their Corporate and Social Responsibility policys, the only way they could possibly comply with those is with the immediate removal of G24 and any other PPC from their land - a temporary solution would be to place bags over the cameras and remove any PPC employees

    CSR policy http://www.pradera.com/sustainability-environmental-csr
    Corporate & Social Responsibility (CSR)
    • We do not discriminate in terms of gender, age, colour, religion or disability
    • We look to promote within the Group where possible and promote fairness and diversity
    • We promote and support community events across our assets under management
    • We commit to regular and transparent reporting to our clients
    • We follow all health & safety guidelines that apply to our business
    • We adhere to the highest standards of professional integrity
    The implementation of this Policy is governed by the Sustainability Committee. The Sustainability Committee meets at least quarterly and includes representation from the Board and other senior staff. Ultimately, the delivery of the Sustainability Policy is the responsibility of all our employees

    James Bury
    Chief Executive Officer, Pradera

    and James Bury's profile http://www.pradera.com/key-personnel/james-bury
    James Bury
    Chief Executive
    James Bury is Chief Executive for Pradera and has overall Fund Management responsibility for all Pradera Funds. In addition, James is a Luxembourg Manager of all Pradera Funds and a Pradera Member on all Unitholders Advisory Committees.
    James has over 20 years of commercial real estate experience, a large part of which has been gained in the retail sector in Continental Europe. Before joining Pradera in early 2009, James was Acquisition Director for JER European Real Estate Fund, an €800 million opportunity fund.
    Previous to JER, James was a Director of Property at Henderson Global Investors, mostly notably working on the launch of the Herald European Retail Fund for which he was Fund Manager and also on the Henderson’s European Outlet Mall Fund. He was seconded to Pradera for most of 2000 and worked on the Pradera European Retail Fund’s first acquisitions in Spain and Italy. Before Henderson, James worked for Cushman & Wakefield for 7 years.
    James has a BA Joint Honours from Durham University and an M.Phil from Reading University. He is a Member of the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors.
    Contact

    [EMAIL="james.bury@pradera.com"]james.bury@pradera.com[/EMAIL]

    +44 20 7539 5432

    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 151,849 Forumite
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    I agree with all those saying complain to the landowner. I can quite understand why you don't want to use the useless IAS.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
    CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
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  • cat410
    cat410 Posts: 35 Forumite
    RESULT! After emailing gym head office and complaining of their lack of customer support on this matter, I get an email. I have spoken with the landlord who has agreed that we do not want to penalise you for the use of the gym, and that we will cancel the ticket for you.
    I never intended to pay, but to have it cancelled takes the stress of receiving threatening letters from them away. Thankyou all
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