Does jobcentre expect peeps to jobsearch on xmas day?

mro

Londonsu wrote: »

!!!!!! love started work at 6 this morning using my tablet to post this DURING MY BREAK


See you at 6pm tonight when I finally get home

Calm down dear, you're being paid for a job you applied for & accepted with employment rights.

mro

Londonsu wrote: »

I think you are the one who needs to educate yourself this is info from CAB and the Governments own website

Time off work on bank and public holidays

Although many workers are given time off work on bank and public holidays, your employer is not required by law to allow you time off work on these days. And if they do give you the time off, they do not have to pay you for this time off. However, your contract of employment may give you the right to time off work on bank and public holidays. If so, it will also specify whether this time off will be paid or not.


If your employer gives you bank or public holidays off, they will count towards your statutory holiday unless your employment contract specifically says that you get bank or public holidays on top of your statutory holiday


And no JSA is not a benefit to cover basic living expenses if it were there would be no requirement to look for a job to be entitled to it, and no sanctions for not job seeking. So It may not be 'pay' but there are conditions attached

Now you will have to excuse me its nearly midnight and I have to go to work tomorrow, of course I would much rather doss around all day and do f all, BUT problem is my employer is paying me to work so I am honour bound to fulfil my obligations and go in.

You left school at 15, your education isn't up to much, stop blaming others for your problems in life.

Yes, JSA is a benefit to cover basic Living Expenses.
There are conditions like all benefits, but it's still a benefit.

Most people have Public Holidays & Bank Holidays off.

As your quote says "many workers are given time off work on bank and public holidays".

On Public Holidays (Christmas Day, Easter Sunday) most businesses legally cannot open, so there's little point not giving the day off.

Twister17

Honestly it's one day of the year, who cares if people on JSA job search on Christmas Day or not?

Londonsu

mro wrote: »

Calm down dear, you're being paid for a job you applied for & accepted with employment rights.

Well at least I applied for one and got it, granted it pays less money I take home less per month than I used to pay in tax and NI but then I WAS on the higher rate of tax, but hey ho at age 59 in an unemployment blackspot you take what you can get don't you

mro wrote: »

You left school at 15, your education isn't up to much, stop blaming others for your problems in life.

Yes, JSA is a benefit to cover basic Living Expenses.
There are conditions like all benefits, but it's still a benefit.

Most people have Public Holidays & Bank Holidays off.

As your quote says "many workers are given time off work on bank and public holidays".

On Public Holidays (Christmas Day, Easter Sunday) most businesses legally cannot open, so there's little point not giving the day off.

What problems in life, I don't actually have any.


Yes it does say many workers (well done for spotting that) however it then goes on to say "your employer is not required by law to allow you time off work on these days. And if they do give you the time off, they do not have to pay you for this time off" - did you miss that bit?



OK I concede, JSA is there to cover basic living expenses whilst you are searching for a job, however if you are paid to do that 7 days a week then that's what you should be doing.


I think you will find that its not actually illegal for most places to open on Christmas Day, retail has its own laws but mostly businesses close for religious, cultural and traditional reasons and when they do close many of them (as my post showed) deduct it from their employees holiday entitlement.

mro

Londonsu wrote: »

Well at least I applied for one and got it, granted it pays less money I take home less per month than I used to pay in tax and NI but then I WAS on the higher rate of tax, but hey ho at age 59 in an unemployment blackspot you take what you can get don't you




What problems in life, I don't actually have any.


Yes it does say many workers (well done for spotting that) however it then goes on to say "your employer is not required by law to allow you time off work on these days. And if they do give you the time off, they do not have to pay you for this time off" - did you miss that bit?



OK I concede, JSA is there to cover basic living expenses whilst you are searching for a job, however if you are paid to do that 7 days a week then that's what you should be doing.


I think you will find that its not actually illegal for most places to open on Christmas Day, retail has its own laws but mostly businesses close for religious, cultural and traditional reasons and when they do close many of them (as my post showed) deduct it from their employees holiday entitlement.

You just don't understand.

Have you read & understood JSA Law, Decision Maker Guidance, Case Law ?

It's not done on some simplistic naive way one person ie. you see it.

Shall we post up Decision Maker Guidance so you can spend months reading it ? That is just Guidance then comes what is reasonable, each individuals's circumstances.

You're arguing about something different which is your employment contract, what you agreed to.

Londonsu

mro wrote: »

You just don't understand.

Have you read & understood JSA Law, Decision Maker Guidance, Case Law ?

It's not done on some simplistic naive way one person ie. you see it.

Shall we post up Decision Maker Guidance so you can spend months reading it ? That is just Guidance then comes what is reasonable, each individuals's circumstances.

You're arguing about something different which is your employment contract, what you agreed to.

Er no I am not arguing about my employment contract, the only reason I mentioned it is that I am contracted to work 35 hours (5 days 8 hour day less 1 hour for lunch which I never take ) and I wouldn't expect to be paid for 5 days and only work 4 or for 7 hours and only work 5 and the fact that Public Holidays are taken out of my holiday entitlement which I have no problem with, only one poster was trying to tell me that was illegal or bad practise and I proved it wasn't.


And I do understand, I understand that JSA claimants have to sign a job seekers agreement and any restrictions to job seeking discussed at the time and agreed on so I cant understand why people agree to accept 7 days money and then only want to engage in the activity for which they are paid for 5 of them you can call it pay, benefits or what ever you like it's still over 7 days.

quietriot

Twister17 wrote: »

Honestly it's one day of the year, who cares if people on JSA job search on Christmas Day or not?

This clown:

Londonsu wrote: »

And I do understand, I understand that JSA claimants have to sign a job seekers agreement and any restrictions to job seeking discussed at the time and agreed on so I cant understand why people agree to accept 7 days money and then only want to engage in the activity for which they are paid for 5 of them you can call it pay, benefits or what ever you like it's still over 7 days.

Sharon87

Londonsu wrote: »

Er no I am not arguing about my employment contract, the only reason I mentioned it is that I am contracted to work 35 hours (5 days 8 hour day less 1 hour for lunch which I never take ) and I wouldn't expect to be paid for 5 days and only work 4 or for 7 hours and only work 5 and the fact that Public Holidays are taken out of my holiday entitlement which I have no problem with, only one poster was trying to tell me that was illegal or bad practise and I proved it wasn't.


And I do understand, I understand that JSA claimants have to sign a job seekers agreement and any restrictions to job seeking discussed at the time and agreed on so I cant understand why people agree to accept 7 days money and then only want to engage in the activity for which they are paid for 5 of them you can call it pay, benefits or what ever you like it's still over 7 days.

Maybe because people deserve a day off? Ok so they're not working, but if they're job seeking properly - a couple hours or more a day, then why not have a day off? If they were religious you wouldn't be arguing so much for not job searching on a religious holiday.

Most job seekers agreements don't state the person has to job search 7 days a week, in fact each time I've been on it they implied to me to apply to 2 jobs a day - 10 jobs. So they expect to job search 5 days a week. It's all what's on the job seekers agreement (just like an employment contract). An employment contract could state '40 hours, 5 days a week' - a job seekers agreement usually says 'apply for 10/12/15 or so jobs, using the following methods xxx or xxx' it does not specify how many days.

It's like working freelance 'please complete this project before this date' you could work for 7 days or do it 5 days on 2 days off then another 2 days.

I_Can_Haz_Job?

I was on JSA from May to mid-December 2013. Managed to get a job and be employed before the festive season. I'm not Christian so Christmas Day is just another day and - had I not found a job - I would have done my usual searches that day. What's more important? Sitting on your bum watching repeats on telly or potentially getting off benefits in time for the new year?

PS: In Judaism we're not meant to do anything resembling work on the Sabbath. Also, while the candles are lit during Hanukkah (comes near Christmas), women are not supposed to lift a finger. Try pulling THAT as a Jewish woman on JSA. I wouldn't have dreamed of it.