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Parking fine for parking mini van outside my home.

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  • is this the template i should be using :
    Dear Sirs

    Re: PCN No. ....................

    I challenge this 'PCN' as keeper of the car, on these main grounds:

    a). The sum does not represent a genuine pre-estimate of loss, nor is it a core price term. It is a disguised penalty and not commercially justified.
    b). As keeper I believe that the signs were not seen, the wording is ambiguous and the predominant purpose of your business model is intended to be a deterrent.
    c). There is no evidence that you have any proprietary interest in the land.
    d). Your 'Notice' fails to comply with the POFA 2012 and breaches various consumer contract/unfair terms Regulations.
    e). There was no consideration nor acceptance flowing from both parties and any contract with myself, or the driver, is denied.
    f). This is not a 'parking ticket' - it is an unsolicited invoice with as much merit as the publicly-derided £100 taken unlawfully from customers by a dingy Blackpool Hotel.

    Your clients should be thoroughly ashamed of the shoddy way you treat consumers visiting their premises. The landowner will be made fully aware of this matter and your response, which I will forward to their CEO when I complain in writing and via social media, as appropriate.

    Parking firms like yours fail to demonstrate even a basic understanding of customer service. The reputation of your business model appears to be more akin to a protection racket than 'parking management'. Your ATA may offer sound-bites about driving up standards or fight for motorists' rights but in reality they are not a regulator; they merely exist to represent the interests of paying members, in order to gain access to DVLA data. The public have no faith in the private parking industry and, as far as I have seen, your firm has not shown itself to be any different than the ex-clampers with whom you share a membership.

    The purpose of this communication is:

    1. Formal challenge
    There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. As such, you must either rely on the POFA 2012 or cancel the charge. I suggest you uphold this challenge now or alternatively, send a rejection letter - subject to accepting my claim for costs as clearly stated below, since you have no case.

    2. ''Drop hands'' offer
    The extravagant 'parking charge' is baseless but I realise that you may have incurred nominal postage costs. Equally, I have incurred costs to date, for researching the law and responding to your junk mail dressed up to impersonate a parking ticket. It is clear that my costs and yours, at this point, do not exceed £15. Therefore, this is a formal “drop hands” offer. I remind you of the duty to mitigate any loss, so withdraw the spurious charge within 35 days without further expense and I will not pursue you for my costs. If you persist then I will charge in full for my time at £18 per hour plus my out-of-pocket expenses and damages for harassment.

    3. Notice of cancellation of contract
    I hereby give notice of withdrawal from this alleged 'contract' which was never properly offered by you and certainly was not expressly agreed. This 'contract' is hereby cancelled and any obligations now end. If you offer - and if I decide to use - IAS or POPLA, then the contract ends immediately on the date of their decision (whatever the outcome) so my notice of cancellation still applies. The Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation & Additional Payments) Regulations apply now to every consumer contract, save for a few exemptions, which parking contracts are not. It is the will of Parliament following the EU Consumer Rights Directive, that express consent is obtained for consumer contracts now - not implied consent - and that information is provided in a durable medium in advance.

    You have failed to meet these requirements. The foisting of unexpected contracts like this on consumers, by stealth, is a thing of the past.

    By replying to the challenge you are acknowledging receipt and acceptance of points 2 and 3 above. If you decide to persist with this unwarranted threat, I will be put to unnecessary expense and hours of time in appealing or defending this matter. As such, you will be liable for my costs and a pre-estimate of my loss - and in contrast with yours, mine is genuine - is that this sum will be likely to exceed £100.

    I have kept proof of submission of this challenge. I look forward to your considered reply within 35 days.

    Yours faithfully,


    {the registered keeper's name}
  • The_Deep
    The_Deep Posts: 16,830 Forumite
    my tenancy agreement doesnt mention anything about parking or commercial vehicles.

    Are you sure? If so, on what grounds are you using the parking space?
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
  • Umkomaas
    Umkomaas Posts: 43,411 Forumite
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    Yep, use that, but in the opening sentence change 'car' to 'vehicle' (as it was a van).
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street
  • The_Deep wrote: »
    my tenancy agreement doesnt mention anything about parking or commercial vehicles.

    Are you sure? If so, on what grounds are you using the parking space?

    before i rented this flat it was advertised as having parking space outside.
  • Umkomaas wrote: »
    Yep, use that, but in the opening sentence change 'car' to 'vehicle' (as it was a van).

    i decided to write my own appeal .. in a nutshell i said didnt know commercial vans werent allowed ..well see what they respond with in 35 days.
  • roadgang wrote: »
    i decided to write my own appeal .. in a nutshell i said didnt know commercial vans werent allowed ..well see what they respond with in 35 days.
    What do you expect to happen? Your appeal will be turned down, 100% guaranteed. I hope you realise that the appeal you sent was pathetic. Not that it matters, as POPLA is where you will win (though not with that appeal), and getting the POPLA code is all that matters at the moment.
  • The_Deep
    The_Deep Posts: 16,830 Forumite
    before i rented this flat it was advertised as having parking space outside.

    In that case it should be in the AST. If it is not you probably do not have any right to park.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
  • roadgang
    roadgang Posts: 9 Forumite
    edited 30 December 2014 at 6:37PM
    The_Deep wrote: »
    before i rented this flat it was advertised as having parking space outside.

    In that case it should be in the AST. If it is not you probably do not have any right to park.

    it probably should be in the AST, but some landlords are too lazy to include everything in there.
  • hoohoo
    hoohoo Posts: 1,717 Forumite
    Get pics of signage, host on tinypic then post links here.
    Dedicated to driving up standards in parking
  • forgotmyname
    forgotmyname Posts: 32,929 Forumite
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    Is the vehicle signwritten? If not just tell them its not a commercial vehicle its taxed as PLG exactly the same as all the other vehicles in the parking bays.
    Censorship Reigns Supreme in Troll City...

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