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Killer motorists!

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  • brat
    brat Posts: 2,533 Forumite
    wheelz wrote: »
    Why use the word 'motorist'. You clearly mean car drivers. It makes it more realistic in my view.

    No, the OP is a coach driver, hence the more generic description of motorist.
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  • RMS2
    RMS2 Posts: 335 Forumite
    brat wrote: »
    So what is it then, and how is it calculated.

    How much "Road Tax" (VED) would you pay on a Nissan Qashqai 1.5-litre dCi diesel?


    It's an arbitrary figure that the government likes to play about with, because of it's green taxes. Just like LPG was meant to be green and got reduced tax, until too many people started using it.


    Back in the days of common sense (they don't teach that in schools any more) you would pay into the 'pot' to fund the roads and a damn site better than the pot holed things we have these days.


    If you want to know what it is on a Qashqai, then go look it up and stop expecting someone else to do it for you.
  • Rolandtheroadie
    Rolandtheroadie Posts: 5,102 Forumite
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    edited 24 December 2014 at 12:03PM
    I'm gonna guess the Qashqui is £0 rated, or it would be a pointless example in the interests of the cyclist/ved argument.
    :)
    wheelz wrote: »
    As far as I know, and I have cycled here, a cyclist needs to ride on the left side of the road not in the middle. So there's no undertaking, that is the correct place for them to be.

    And I'm gonna guess this is wrong. They go on about Primary and Secondary position, cant see either of them being in the gutter. (I'm not a regular cyclist)

    My natural instinct on a motorbike is right of lane centre when a roads clear (Drivers side wheel path) and left of lane centre when traffics coming towards me (so vehicles looking to overtake might see me a bit earlier, passenger wheel's path ).
  • brat
    brat Posts: 2,533 Forumite
    RMS2 wrote: »
    It's an arbitrary figure that the government likes to play about with, because of it's green taxes. Just like LPG was meant to be green and got reduced tax, until too many people started using it.

    Back in the days of common sense (they don't teach that in schools any more) you would pay into the 'pot' to fund the roads and a damn site better than the pot holed things we have these days.

    If you want to know what it is on a Qashqai, then go look it up and stop expecting someone else to do it for you.
    As you well know, the Qashqai is zero rated. If you can think of a good reason why a cyclist (who probably pays road tax anyway) should pay more road tax than the Qashqai user, then now is the time to share it.
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  • Horizon81
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    brat by name brat by nature. I bet he wears a helmet cam!
  • brat
    brat Posts: 2,533 Forumite
    Horizon81 wrote: »
    brat by name brat by nature. I bet he wears a helmet cam!
    Never have done. I cycle for pleasure, not to look for quarrels. I leave that for the day job.
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  • Strider590
    Strider590 Posts: 11,874 Forumite
    edited 24 December 2014 at 1:47PM
    "Road tax" was not not changed to "VED", it was totally abolished.

    The awful truth about VED is that it's actually a tax on wealth or to be more exact your aspirations to wealth.

    Just as the window tax of the 18th and 19th century, where you basically paid more the more windows your house had, thus how big the house was, but they did not predict that people would start bricking up their windows to avoid the tax.

    The same applies to VED, originally large prestige motors were all gas guzzlers, so the high VED was aimed at extracting more money from those who could afford it, whilst maintaining the social class order (ie poor people can't drive nice cars).

    Then the automotive industry realised that the squeezed wannabe middle classes, with their dozen or so credit cards, were turning away from their top end motors because of the VED, so they started introducing clean burning diesels and hybrids into their ranges and now we have a situation where just like window tax, people are bricking up their windows (so to speak).

    At some point VED is going to change or be abolished, because it's not taxing the wealthy and it's not keeping the exclusivity of prestige cars.
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  • Retrogamer
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    Horizon81 wrote: »
    brat by name brat by nature. I bet he wears a helmet cam!

    Do you often refer to insults when someone presents a rational debate?
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  • wheelz
    wheelz Posts: 334 Forumite
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    And I'm gonna guess this is wrong. They go on about Primary and Secondary position, cant see either of them being in the gutter. (I'm not a regular cyclist)

    My natural instinct on a motorbike is right of lane centre when a roads clear (Drivers side wheel path) and left of lane centre when traffics coming towards me (so vehicles looking to overtake might see me a bit earlier, passenger wheel's path ).

    IAM teach motorcyclists to ride in a "safety bubble", central position being where the right wheel of a car is or further to the centre. Never to the left. Move to the right (over the line even) to see whether there is space to overtake, if not sit back.

    I don't think cyclists should ever be overtaking cars on the right but I might be wrong. I never dared to do that. That's what I meant by I don't think they can undertake as that's where they will naturally be.
  • Car_54
    Car_54 Posts: 8,896 Forumite
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    RMS2 wrote: »
    It's an arbitrary figure that the government likes to play about with, because of it's green taxes. Just like LPG was meant to be green and got reduced tax, until too many people started using it.


    Back in the days of common sense (they don't teach that in schools any more) you would pay into the 'pot' to fund the roads and a damn site better than the pot holed things we have these days.

    .

    So you remember the state of the roads before 1936? How old are you?
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