The Economics of Pessimistic Time Travelling Kippers

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

LOL, yes. We agree that if 20,000,000 people suddenly arrive in a single place then the logistical challenges would be huge.

If we can ever get 20,000,000 people to a single place in short order then we'd better start to worry about it.

It rather reminds me of this:

https://what-if.xkcd.com/8/

-the example doesn't seem to examine whether the opposition to migration is essentially racist
-nor does it say much about how many people would migration from the poor to the rich countries if it were permitted
-nor does it say anything about the economic impact thereof
-not does it mention whether the likely continuing increase in the prices in London and the SE is either economically or socially beneficial (or to whom)




the usual estimate for the movement of peoples in Europe at the end of the WW11 is over 20 million.


but you got a 'thanks' from Hamish

danothy

Generali wrote: »

LOL, yes. We agree that if 20,000,000 people suddenly arrive in a single place then the logistical challenges would be huge.

If we can ever get 20,000,000 people to a single place in short order then we'd better start to worry about it.

It rather reminds me of this:

https://what-if.xkcd.com/8/

But Gen, clearly if you acknowledge the necessity of some form of protectionism due to the potential impact of a large increase in population then you must acknowledge that the only way to implement such protectionism is by dividing rights along the lines of an imagined birthright, and not in an objective fashion!

Generali

CLAPTON wrote: »

the usual estimate for the movement of peoples in Europe at the end of the WW11 is over 20 million.

Who weren't all trying to get to the same place at the same time.

I don't think there's ever likely to be a case in our lifetimes of 20,000,000 people willingly relocating to the UK every year for a decade. Even if you said that everyone that turned up at Dover got a nice clean new £50 pound note you wouldn't get 20,000,000 new arrivals a year for a decade.

CLAPTON wrote: »

but you got a 'thanks' from Hamish

I did. From mayonnaise, danothy and jjlandlord too. And a warm 'Thanks' to them too. I'd thank their thanks if I could, I really would.

Generali

danothy wrote: »

But Gen, clearly if you acknowledge the necessity of some form of protectionism due to the potential impact of a large increase in population then you must acknowledge that the only way to implement such protectionism is by dividing rights along the lines of an imagined birthright, and not in an objective fashion!

At present I think we can rely on the inefficiencies of the worlds' transportation systems to prevent 20,000,000 people arriving in the UK (or indeed Australia) all at once.

If it ever becomes remotely likely then it's an issue that should probably be addressed.

As CLAPTON seems to be predicting gross migration 40x last year's level for the next decade, I think we can safely discount his/her views and even quite possibly his sanity.

danothy

Generali wrote: »

I'd thank their thanks if I could, I really would.

I have often wished for the ability to do this too! But it could all get so meta so quickly, so I say only natives to the board should have this ability. It's only practical, after all.

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

Who weren't all trying to get to the same place at the same time.

I don't think there's ever likely to be a case in our lifetimes of 20,000,000 people willingly relocating to the UK every year for a decade. Even if you said that everyone that turned up at Dover got a nice clean new £50 pound note you wouldn't get 20,000,000 new arrivals a year for a decade.



I did. From mayonnaise, danothy and jjlandlord too. And a warm 'Thanks' to them too. I'd thank their thanks if I could, I really would.

-so you do/don't think that restriction on immigration is racist?
-you do/don't think that 100s of millions would wish to migrate if they were allowed to?
-notwithstanding any racist principles or the wishes of people, you see some practical problems with mass migration if it actually happened?
-you have no view on the desirability economically or socially about the continuing price in house prices in London and the SE?

jjlandlord

-you do/don't prefer wine or beer?
-you do/don't think that summer is the best season?
-you do/don't prefer cats?

Generali

CLAPTON wrote: »

-so you do/don't think that restriction on immigration is racist?
-you do/don't think that 100s of millions would wish to migrate if they were allowed to?
-notwithstanding any racist principles or the wishes of people, you see some practical problems with mass migration if it actually happened?
-you have no view on the desirability economically or socially about the continuing price in house prices in London and the SE?

You are/are completely obsessed with a single topic.

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

You are/are completely obsessed with a single topic.

London house prices have always been a popular topic of conversation even if people refuse or are unable to discuss the economic consequences thereof.

N1AK

CLAPTON wrote: »

As a non ignorant, rational person able to deal with change, do you support unrestricted movement of peoples ?

I'll answer the question, though I'm not sure I concur on the summarisation of my merits

No. I support it as things stand within the EU, and might as part of other agreements. I do so because I believe it is beneficial economically and in terms of international relations. If I thought it was damaging, and worth the cost of leaving the EU to get rid of it then I would support doing so.

Saying no might sound counter-intuitive given the sentences that follow, however I said no because I would not be in favour of global unrestricted movement of people to the UK at this time.