The Economics of Pessimistic Time Travelling Kippers

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/11/20/why-ukips-rivals-are-fighting-wrong-battle/

We all know (and data confirms) that UKIP voters tend to be older, white, male, and ill educated.

But wanting to live in the past?

Explains a lot.....

Anyway, to keep this thread on topic, the economic impact of winding back the societal clock a few decades would be horrific. The current national debt and ageing crisis with a much smaller population to support it would mean austerity and poverty for tens of millions.

Why would they want that?

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/11/20/why-ukips-rivals-are-fighting-wrong-battle/

We all know (and data confirms) that UKIP voters tend to be older, white, male, and ill educated.

But wanting to live in the past?

Explains a lot.....

Anyway, to keep this thread on topic, the economic impact of winding back the societal clock a few decades would be horrific. The current national debt and ageing crisis with a much smaller population to support it would mean austerity and poverty for tens of millions.

Why would they want that?

Why distort would is a reasonable story?


There wasn't an aging 'crisis' 20-30 years ago and there isn't now as can be seen from the abundance of labour.


The CURRENT national debt wasn't the same then either.


Our foreign debts are set to increase and our net foreign assets decline as we import more and more essential imports to service the growing population.
Truly a growing crisis which will continue to be ignored by all politicians until is become 'fashionable'.


House prices in London and the SE were such that young people born and raised there could reasonably expect to be able to buy a family home near parents, friends and support groups: no longer the case but I suppose no issue to some-one living in the far north.


Personally I think that things are pretty good right now but increase in population has both good and bad consequences.


Probably, by some Byzantine working of the corrupt Barnett formula, Scotland will gain from this and so Hamish will continue to be a population growth problem denier.

ruggedtoast

There was a great Daily Mash article once called "Win a Holiday to the 1950s", which pretty much summed up the UKIP attitude of yearning for time travel, but I cant find it now for the life of me.

A spinning Martin for the first one to find it.

(this is what you could have :money:)

Bantex_2

From memory, 30 years ago seemed a pretty good time. Apart from more gadgets are we much better off?

Seems a lot more dissatisfaction around these days.

ruggedtoast

Bantex wrote: »

From memory, 30 years ago seemed a pretty good time. Apart from more gadgets are we much better off?

Seems a lot more dissatisfaction around these days.

According to my latest boomer thread, 30 years ago was a dreadful time when everyone ate dust twice a day if they were lucky and people were regularly abducted by giant flying pterosaurs then fed in pieces to their nestlings.

Thrugelmir

But wanting to live in the past?

Depends how you define the past. Is the UK a better and fairer place? I would say not. For a whole multitude of reasons. Many unrelated to the EU as well.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

According to my latest boomer thread, 30 years ago was a dreadful time when everyone ate dust twice a day if they were lucky and people were regularly abducted by giant flying pterosaurs then fed in pieces to their nestlings.

your mummy shouldn't have told you those silly, scary stories but nevertheless it's time to make up with her now and enjoy the wonders and wealth of the 21st century

Thrugelmir

Bantex wrote: »

From memory, 30 years ago seemed a pretty good time. Apart from more gadgets are we much better off?

Seems a lot more dissatisfaction around these days.

Definitely a more positive atmosphere. People were more entrepreneurial. Hard work was rewarded.

MARTYM8`

There is a lot of pessimism and unhappiness in the country - in Scotland its reflected in support for the SNP and in London oddly by support for the likes of Mayor Rahman (and oddly even Labour).

Odd that most of our young people don't wake up to how s****d they are - fewer decent jobs, no pensions to look forward to, can't afford a house on an average wage, paying high taxes to fund an ever rising national debt, paying taxes to fund generous entitlements for those over 50 which they won't ever get themselves.

Why many more of them aren't voting UKIP is beyond me!

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Bantex wrote: »

From memory, 30 years ago seemed a pretty good time. Apart from more gadgets are we much better off?

Yes, most people are significantly better off than they were a few decades ago.

Seems a lot more dissatisfaction around these days.

Indeed.

But based on a false perception, not the reality.

Bantex_2

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Yes, most people are significantly better off than they were a few decades ago.






Indeed.

But based on a false perception, not the reality.

Some of the figures are a bit unbelieveable, how could 63% of the population own their own home?