if a lefty went to a restaurant, ordered the same meal

ukcarper

The combined income tax and NI take is about £250 billion, there are about 30 million in work and mean wage is £25k so a flat 20% tax would raise £150 billion. To raise £250 billion the tax rate would need to be set at 33%.

Jack_Johnson_the_acorn

ukcarper wrote: »

The combined income tax and NI take is about £250 billion, there are about 30 million in work and mean wage is £25k so a flat 20% tax would raise £150 billion. To raise £250 billion the tax rate would need to be set at 33%.

At this point the bottom 50% would have to cut back on all non-essential items, meaning that businesses earn less and in turn means the rich earn less.....

The OP is delusional or a fool, probably both.

ukcarper

Jack_Johnson_the_acorn wrote: »

At this point the bottom 50% would have to cut back on all non-essential items, meaning that businesses earn less and in turn means the rich earn less.....

The OP is delusional or a fool, probably both.

I'm not sure I would take anything they post seriously.

N1AK

The_White_Horse wrote: »

Then the 714bn should be reduced to a more acceptable level. Say 100bn. This can easily be acheived by sacking 90% of public sector workers (the ones we don't actually need).

Children wouldn't pay. That is just stupid.

Ridiculous troll is ridiculous

Spidernick

Am I the only one who, seeing the posts of someone like the OP, wishes there was a 'mark down' button and not just a 'thanks' one?!!!

ViolaLass

captainhindsight wrote: »

The argument 'because they can afford it' is not good enough, high taxes destroy asperation and ambition.

Indeed. I often decide to earn less so that I can pay less tax. The loss of the extra spending money is a small price to pay.

Moby

[

QUOTE=captainhindsight;67041981]Well I went to a school of that now charges
almost £35,000 a year then on to university then started a professional career
before leaving and starting my own company.

Which one of my working class brothers am I selling out for?

How about the human race?

this discussion isn't about when is enough enough or not considering the needs
of the poor it is about why should some one who is rich be punished with higher
taxes?

Try to see it not as a punishment but as a contribution to the fabric of society. The most civilised countries which are generally considered to offer the best quality of life are relatively high tax countries; Germany, Sweden, Norway, Denmark for example.
Nigeria is a growing, very entrepreneurial society at present....but would I like to live there, bring my children up there? No!

The argument 'because they can afford it' is not good enough, high taxes
destroy asperation and ambition.
If that is how you want to change the world it seems verry odd![/

QUOTE]
What is odd is that 'ambition' is always seen in financial terms by the right wing?
What about other ambitions? The ambition to create a better world, a more fair society, a better health service, more equality of opportunity?
I don't value the Dyson's of this world as much as a I value the doctors and nurses who are risking their lives for little reward in Sierra Leone. Their ambition is what I respect. Not the ambition of a self seeking self interested so called 'entrepreneur', many of whom don't pay their taxes anyway and are trying to sell you rubbish that if you were less consumerist you'd see you don't need anyway!:).

ruggedtoast

The_White_Horse wrote: »

i earn a low salary. I am just looking out for my richer fellow citizens and the grossly unfair tax levied on them.

Everyone uses the same facilities, so we should all pay the same for them.

why should someone "rich" pay more for the army, for example, than someone "poor"? Do they not both get the same protection and same use? The only justification is "because they can afford to" - which isn't right. Otherwise, go back to square one where every product costs more or less depending on your salary. It's madness.

No one has a right to a free hand out, but then no one has a right to be rich either. Everything is negotiated.

Going back to Mylene Klass, a celebrated self made milloinairess balking at a lefty tax. Lets put her somewhere else, like Somalia.

Mylene isn't rich in Somalia. In fact she isn't even allowed to walk around with her head uncovered, and was married to someone she had never met when she was 12 years old.

On the offchance she did ever get to sing into anything there would have been no distribution network for her songs and even if there were, her manager stole all her money and there was nothing she could do about it, because there was no legal system or police force for her to turn to.

She got to do all of these things in the UK because at every turn an army of people vastly poorer than she is exist to ensure that she is able to continue to do them.

It is fair therefore, is it not, that Mylene has a bit less of her enormous fortune, so that these people can have a bit more?

Andy_L

Spidernick wrote: »

Am I the only one who, seeing the posts of someone like the OP, wishes there was a 'mark down' button and not just a 'thanks' one?!!!

There's an ignore poster option

captainhindsight_2

I think the longer a thread continues the higher the probability of leftest rubbish?

To the person who doesn't respect the dysons of this world (I am sure his thousands of employees would disagree with you!!) And (without such people we would still be living in caves) how about Martin Lewis? He has become wealthy from this website for in your words 'selfish reasons' but has probably created direct good to you where as Dyson hasn't??

To the other person who says don't see it as a punishment, it is! It is not a negotiation it is enforced with out consultation.