Error Fares

DTDfanBoy

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Business to Melbourne, economy to Sydney, total payment £1248.

Not first, but as I'd booked it in a hurry, for someone else and whilst probably sat in traffic on the M25, I can't be completely to blame.

Don't worry it's quite a common mistake to make, I've lost count of the amount of times I've boarded a plane, plonked myself down in First and requested a bottle of Dom only to be informed I've only purchased a business class ticket :eek:

I blame the airlines, it's really hard to distinguish between First and Business when booking, and as the price difference is normally only a few thousand pounds it's not something the average person would pick up on

You may want to give companies house a bell as well, I'm sure it's just an error on their part but according to them you don't actually own any companies nor are you registered as a director

You must be one hell of a start up consultant if they're giving you a tiny majority share in exchange for your services :T

callum9999

CKhalvashi wrote: »

IMO, it doesn't look like an error fare.

I'm working closely at the moment with a startup airline, and we could (if we had an A330/772) possibly offer something IRO that fare if we really wanted, with a stop in a city other than Brussels.

To fly to further countries, you're often better off flying from another European country (but not generally Germany, which probably explains the stop in Brussels), as the UK and Germany are the only two I can think of with air taxes.

We're able to offer UK to country 2500 miles away for about £240 return, but Ireland to country 2750 miles away for £190 return on both.....India (Mumbai, for the purpose of making comparison easier) is 2200 miles from the stopover city, but also has the highest landing fees

Of course it's an error fare...

Numerous countries have air taxes - the UK is just particularly high. The connection in Brussels is because Jet Airways doesn't fly to Munich.

No "personal attack" intended, but I hope you're giving better advice to the airline you're consulting that you are on here! (Or if you're not, I'd be more than happy for you to send work my way if this is the level of knowledge you need - I'm practically an expert in that case!).

CKhalvashi

callum9999 wrote: »

No "personal attack" intended, but I hope you're giving better advice to the airline you're consulting that you are on here! (Or if you're not, I'd be more than happy for you to send work my way if this is the level of knowledge you need - I'm practically an expert in that case!).

Before giving advice on that level, I will check it, re-check it, write it out and check it again.

If I post on the forum, less so, however if questioned further (as this morning), it will be checked and corrected as necessary. I was working this morning from memory, which isn't great with the amount of other things I have to do today.

I stand by the fact that a fare of this nature is possible, although in business class would be extremely rare (I'm happy to re-work my maths on the open forum and give my views on this basis if you'd like me to expand further).

callum9999

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Before giving advice on that level, I will check it, re-check it, write it out and check it again.

If I post on the forum, less so, however if questioned further (as this morning), it will be checked and corrected as necessary. I was working this morning from memory, which isn't great with the amount of other things I have to do today.

I stand by the fact that a fare of this nature is possible, although in business class would be extremely rare (I'm happy to re-work my maths on the open forum and give my views on this basis if you'd like me to expand further).

I would love you to provide actual examples of when a business fare between Germany and India has ever been £439 return. If it's maths based on what your unnamed and presumably not-currently-existing airline could theoretically offer, not so much!

My questioning of your aviation knowledge wasn't merely you forgetting some details. Thinking only the UK and Germany have air taxes is a huge mistake for an aviation advisor. Ditto with your reasoning for the stop in Brussels - German air taxes would still apply. I'm just an enthusiastic traveller and I know these things, I'd really expect the experts to know them too!

CKhalvashi

callum9999 wrote: »

My questioning of your aviation knowledge wasn't merely you forgetting some details. Thinking only the UK and Germany have air taxes is a huge mistake for an aviation advisor. Ditto with your reasoning for the stop in Brussels - German air taxes would still apply. I'm just an enthusiastic traveller and I know these things, I'd really expect the experts to know them too!

However many get around this by offering separate tickets for this exact reason.

If we offer a ticket from city A to B, the tax will be paid there, and from B to C there is (in the case of the company I'm working with) nothing further to pay. In our case band B (£67) instead of C or D.

Other companies (Turkish etc) are at a huge advantage to us (band A/£13), however our interpretation is that it's the destination on the first ticket, not the second.

I read something about £100 flights to USA stopping in Iceland, on a great cirle route, this would be why this can be offered, as presumably you're buying two separate tickets.

callum9999

CKhalvashi wrote: »

However many get around this by offering separate tickets for this exact reason.

If we offer a ticket from city A to B, the tax will be paid there, and from B to C there is (in the case of the company I'm working with) nothing further to pay. In our case band B (£67) instead of C or D.

Other companies (Turkish etc) are at a huge advantage to us (band A/£13), however our interpretation is that it's the destination on the first ticket, not the second.

I read something about £100 flights to USA stopping in Iceland, on a great cirle route, this would be why this can be offered, as presumably you're buying two separate tickets.

Many? Who? I haven't seen a single airline proactively offer separate tickets for one flight to get around APD.

Your post is rather unclear, but if your company is offering A to B to C on one ticket then APD is exactly the same as A to C. Turkish airlines are also not at any advantage to you (well, other than actually being real!). If I buy a ticket on Turkish from London to Istanbul to Tbilisi, I pay the exact same rate as London to Tbilisi. If it was sold as one ticket from London to Istanbul and a seperate ticket to Tbilisi then yes, the APD would be cheaper. Turkish however do not do that, and as I said at the start, nor does any other reputable airline.

No they are not buying separate tickets. It's one ticket and the APD is exactly the same as with a direct flight. The flights are £100 because it's a loss-leading promo by an expanding budget carrier.

While I don't see why anyone would make up being an airline consultant, your knowledge on the aviation industry seems so pitiful I'm having great trouble believing you are a decent one! (And no this isn't a "personal attack" - I'm attacking your aviation knowledge, not you personally!)

tomtontom

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I read something about £100 flights to USA stopping in Iceland, on a great cirle route, this would be why this can be offered, as presumably you're buying two separate tickets.

If you are referring to Icelandair their indirect flights from the UK still attract APD for the full distance of the journey.

callum9999

tomtontom wrote: »

If you are referring to Icelandair their indirect flights from the UK still attract APD for the full distance of the journey.

They're referring to WOW air, though exact same principle.

gik

Taxi for CKhalvashi?

DTDfanBoy

CKhalvashi wrote: »

However many get around this by offering separate tickets for this exact reason.

If we offer a ticket from city A to B, the tax will be paid there, and from B to C there is (in the case of the company I'm working with) nothing further to pay. In our case band B (£67) instead of C or D.

Other companies (Turkish etc) are at a huge advantage to us (band A/£13), however our interpretation is that it's the destination on the first ticket, not the second.

I read something about £100 flights to USA stopping in Iceland, on a great cirle route, this would be why this can be offered, as presumably you're buying two separate tickets.

You clearly know very little about ticketing either, you need a 24 hour period before HMRC considers the flights not to be connected, and there's plenty of very good reasons why every airline in the world doesn't ticket their routes as you propose to