Cpp parking fine notice have blue badge

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Now I have a relative whom works in a quite senior role within councils.

Just informing people that this is not a "Formal" fine and is therefore not enforceable.

Its not a formal fine, however a lot of people think it is, and unfortunately this can also extend to some judges on the small claims circuit.
That coupled with the protection of freedoms act means that some car parking company's will try their hand at court, and on top of that they have six years to lodge a claim. Cpp may not be particularly litigious at the moment but who knows what will happen over six[/] years.

Your best plan of action is to read the sticky thread at the top of this board, and to complain to the hospitals PALs service.

After going through something like you have had to go through with the horror of a still birth you shouldnt have to be dealing with scum trying to con money out of you.

dvtrv

I'm "listening".

How do I get this "template"?

I'm away from tomorrow for a week or so and want to follow the advice on here.

Please can you help me then?

Thank you

Umkomaas wrote: »

@dvtrv - we've been dealing with thousands of people with private parking charges day in, day out. The former advice to 'ignore' these PCNs expired 2 years ago with the introduction of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.

There is now a fairly simple 2 (template) letter process that gets rid of this from your life. Yes, you can ignore the PCN, but you will suffer months of letters from the PPC and its debt collection agency, with the possibility of hassling phone calls and a further possibility of the PPC taking you to the small claims court at any time - and for the next six years! Or you can put it all to bed in 6-8 weeks, done, dusted and forgotten.

Your relative/advice person may well be magnificently qualified in consumer law, but I'd ask him how many private parking charges has he successfully guided random people through?

And, despite his qualifications, I'd pit myself against him any day (as would all other regulars on here) in getting you through this successfully. We've dealt with thousands!

But, your decision, your choice. Good luck whichever way you decide to go.

Fruitcake

dvtrv wrote: »

I'm "listening".

How do I get this "template"?

I'm away from tomorrow for a week or so and want to follow the advice on here.

Please can you help me then?

Thank you

My initial reading of your original post made me think this might be a council ticket as you mention Yellow Lines and a Blue Badge.

If this is the case then it's off to Pepipo.com you need to go.

If however it was on private land then you really need to challenge this and then educate your family member that he is giving bad two year out of date advice that could cause you even more anxiety than you already have. The Blue Badge is irrelevant as it has no standing on private land but the Equality Act 2010 does so PALS and the hospital need a good stiff talking to about this.

The template is in the Sticky thread for NEWBIES near the top of the main page; Money Saving Expert, Motoring, Parking Tickets.

Your initial appeal will be rejected but the PPC must supply a PoPLA code that you then use and win, costing the PPC money in the process.

My condolences to you on your loss. Please be assured that everyone who has posted here wants to help you and you have to believe the advice they give is the best and most up to date there is.

Coupon-mad

dvtrv wrote: »

I'm "listening".

How do I get this "template"?

I'm away from tomorrow for a week or so and want to follow the advice on here.

Please can you help me then?

Thank you

We can help - if it's a private ticket which I think you said it is (Car Parking Partnership, going by your heading?) then just read the Newbies thread and send the first appeal template, albeit late, to the PPC.

The Newbies thread is 2nd from top of page one. You get to page one of ANY forum thread you read, by using the Forum Jump which appears twice on this page alone. No links. It's best if you see how to use the forum and hop around from thread to thread.

BenefitMaster

dvtrv wrote: »

Really?? He is a director for a council in the uk and has a degree in consumer law and was rather senior Trading Standards officer so...
Thank you for your opinion it has been noted.

I have to date beaten 10 of these tickets in court for people. All of whom ignored, and all of whom got sued.

I have beaten 4 myself, by not ignoring.

I am a lay rep with no formal law qualifications, though I do have legal training

Your friend doesn't know what he is talking about, qualifications or not.

dvtrv

I was at St Mary's hospital and the ticket was issued by "Car Parking Partnership" and is shown as "Civil Parking Notice".
CPP are is a trading name of Liberty Printers (AR and RF Reddin) and is listed on BPA British Parking Association.

Also I'm struggling to find the Newbies thread to obtain template.

Help please.

Thank you

Fruitcake

dvtrv wrote: »

I was at St Mary's hospital and the ticket was issued by "Car Parking Partnership" and is shown as "Civil Parking Notice".
CPP are is a trading name of Liberty Printers (AR and RF Reddin) and is listed on BPA British Parking Association.

Also I'm struggling to find the Newbies thread to obtain template.

Help please.

Thank you

Type the words Money Saving Expert, Motoring, Parking Tickets, into a search engine such as Google, Bing, or Yahoo and it will take you to the main page where you will see the NEWBIES thread second from the top.

Google gives the main page as the first hit, Yahoo as the second hit, and Bing as the third hit.

The thread you are looking for says: -

Sticky: **NEWBIES!! PRIVATE PARKING TICKET? OLD OR NEW? **READ THESE FAQS FIRST!** Thankyou!

dvtrv

Fully understood and thank you.

I have the template and will be using it, SO;

A-E do not apply here. I parked on double yellow lines where there was no yellow marks on the kerb which in public roads is always acceptable unless signs say otherwise which I've been advised on by traffic wardens before.

So what do you suggest I do here now then?

Thanks again.

Coupon-mad

A-E do not apply here

Why not?


Yes we know there were signs up, of course there were signs up.

- The signage is insufficient, the risk of a charge is not transparent and the wording is ambiguous.
- There is no evidence that you have any proprietary interest in the land.
- Your written 'notice' fails to comply with the POFA 2012.
- There was no consideration nor acceptance flowing from both parties and any contract with myself, or the driver, is denied.

ALL APPLICABLE.

dvtrv wrote: »

parked on double yellow lines where there was no yellow marks on the kerb which in public roads is always acceptable unless signs say otherwise which I've been advised on by traffic wardens before.

Yep but that's on Council roads. Private car parks are full of scammers and they use double yellows as an excuse to scam people.

dvtrv

letter drawn up and being posted today. Many thanks.

(Copy of letter -
Car Parking Partnership
PO Box 597,
Northampton
NN4 7XN


Dear Sirs

Re: PCN No. CP31176451

I challenge this 'PCN' as keeper of the car, on the following grounds:

a). The sum does not represent a genuine pre-estimate of loss, nor is it a core price term. It is an unrecoverable penalty and not commercially justified.
b). The signage is insufficient, the risk of a charge is not transparent and the wording is ambiguous.
c). There is no evidence that you have any proprietary interest in the land.
d). Your written 'notice' fails to comply with the POFA 2012.
e). There was no consideration nor acceptance flowing from both parties and any contract with myself, or the driver, is denied.

The purpose of this communication is threefold:

1. Formal challenge
There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn in the absence of evidence. As such, you must either rely on the POFA 2012 or cancel the charge if you cannot claim keeper liability. Please uphold this challenge or send a rejection letter, so I can escalate this appeal to the independent appeal service offered by your Trade Body.

2. ''Drop hands'' offer
The extravagant 'parking charge' is baseless but I realise that you may have incurred nominal costs. Equally, I have incurred costs to date, for researching the law, reading your Notice and responding, despite a lack of contract. I calculate both my costs and yours to be under £15 at this early stage, therefore, this is a formal “drop hands” offer. I remind you of the duty to mitigate any loss, so withdraw the spurious charge within 35 days without further expense and I will not pursue you for my costs. If you persist then I will charge in full for my time at £18 per hour plus my expenses.

3. Notice of cancellation of contract
I hereby give notice of withdrawal from this alleged contract which was never properly offered or explained by you. The charge is not acknowledged, is not due and no 'service' from you was ever expressly requested by the driver or by me. Neither the driver nor myself gave 'prior express consent' or any consent at all for the alleged contract and it is not for me to reimburse you for foisting an unexpected and non-negotiated contract upon any driver of my vehicle. This 'contract' is hereby cancelled and any obligations now end. If you offer - and if I decide to use - your IAS or POPLA, then the contract still ends immediately on the date of their decision (whatever the outcome) so my notice of cancellation still applies.

As well as not meeting the requirements of the POFA 2012, it is my view that you have breached the Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation and Additional Payments) Regs 2013. In replying, you will also be acknowledging receipt and understanding of points 2 and 3 above. Where sent by post I have obtained proof of posting; where submitted online/by email it is deemed received by you unless proved otherwise. I look forward to your considered reply within 35 days.

Yours faithfully


Mr D P Parker)