My local council are a bunch of idiots.

uktim29

wurlitzerwilly wrote: »

Yes it is being a "yes man". Just the same as it's being a "yes man" by not complaining to a government who would let people (loose term) freely roam around our country, whilst knowing it's their vowed intent to blow our b*ll*cks off!

I don't agree with that, infact I'm more or less the complete opposite. I find the biggest way to be a yes man is by working for a large company. I'm not fully self-employed just yet but now only work part time because I just can't keep my mouth shut when I disagree!

Also, I like everyone else has to deal with problems eg purchases, bills wrong etc and deal in the way that I mentioned above. I also always get the outcome I desire without needing to speak personally to ceo's, directors, trading standards etc. It's just the skill of communicating and knowing how to speak to other people. I have otherwise worked in retail all my life and know that many lack this skill massively.

Sometimes I wonder, is it only me who manages not to end up in countless arguments when things go wrong and still get the outcome I desire.

adouglasmhor

I often get the result I want when dealing with various official bodies, if not I just say thanks for your time and get on with things, I call it selling them something, I don't have a lot of sales experience, but I did sell on commision in an old fashioned bulk menswear retailer when I was a student and I did alright, couldn't have made as much money working for a flat rate.

wurlitzerwilly

uktim29 wrote: »

I don't agree with that, in fact I'm more or less the complete opposite. I find the biggest way to be a yes man is by working for a large company. I'm not fully self-employed just yet but now only work part time because I just can't keep my mouth shut when I disagree!

Also, I like everyone else has to deal with problems eg purchases, bills wrong etc and deal in the way that I mentioned above. I also always get the outcome I desire without needing to speak personally to CEOs, directors, trading standards etc. It's just the skill of communicating and knowing how to speak to other people. I have otherwise worked in retail all my life and know that many lack this skill massively.

Sometimes I wonder, is it only me who manages not to end up in countless arguments when things go wrong and still get the outcome I desire.

I suspect that your successes (and mine) without much aggravation have been with businesses. They are in a totally different ball park from councils. I very rarely have a problem with businesses where I need to go further than a short call. They have to survive by selling to customers. Bad reputation, no customers, no business. Even when there's been a mistake on my part and I've genuinely missed payment, I've always had a polite "Sorry to trouble you, but our records show no payment received, will you check your records?", and that's even when they KNOW they're in the right. Rather than the boorish high-handed "you've not paid, you will have to attend Court, you must be fined for being an *rse!", even though they've not checked their own system thoroughly enough.

It's unfortunate that unlike businesses, we are stuck with these arrogant bodies, according to where we live, and can't take our business elsewhere. Otherwise I'd be doing just that and Councils would be competing for business.

Regards,

Alan.

Cerro

uktim29 wrote: »

I see the hobbies of people here tend to be winging, going to the papers, sueing, seeing how many miss-priced items they can find in supermarkets. Then causing as much fuss that they can rather than simply pointing out to someone concerned and moving on. This is what 99% of the country manage to do. Hardly being a yes-man is it?

How did I miss this trolls post?

So remind me, why are you on here? Just wanted to see what we were all moaning about did you? What an interesting hobby you seem to have! Perhaps one day you will understand that not everyone is just willing to accept everything as it is, but you being that kind of yes-man means you probably never will - you'll be too busy nodding your head. The trouble with pointing something out to the person concerned is they are often people like you, who can't be bothered to do anything about it because "that's how it is". Its probably why 99% of the country keep coming across the same problems over and over, because they just assume someone will take responsibility for it and fix it, the other 1% make something happen.

uktim29 wrote:

It's nice to see another poster wants to move further towards a blame culture, lets hope our courts still keep some common sense though (so this case would be unlikely to win). Imagine if we sued the council for everything that niggled us and the £10,000 a year council tax needed to pay for it. I already know the defense from people will be "no it won't, it'll stop them making mistakes" this coming from perfect Joe average who obviously never gets anything wrong and shouldn't even have to check their bank statements.

Yes I do, because people in a no-blame culture seem to believe they are untouchable and take no responsibility, simply because they don't have to, if anything happens, its not their fault.

No one said anything about suing, those stupid cases of people spilling hot coffee on them and claiming they didn't know, should be held responsible for their own actions - you don't have the common sense to realise that hot coffee might actually be hot? That's your own fault. So suing would not be the answer, making someone accountable is! There is a difference between making mistakes (which everyone does now and then) and sheer incompetance. When someone is made directly responsible then less mistakes are made and when they do happen - someone makes sure they are fixed.

Elmer_Dudd

Wurlitzer Willy

I hope you win in this case (whatever 'winning' would mean in this matter)and get these faceless Council desk jockeys to do their job properly, with common sense and in a correct fashion.
The Councils today are a law unto themselves and must be brought down a peg or two on every available occasion-otherwise they become more and more powerful and arrogant and more distanced from the actual people they are meant to serve.

Best of Luck!
Elmer:cool:

uktim29

Cerro wrote: »

How did I miss this trolls post?

So remind me, why are you on here? Just wanted to see what we were all moaning about did you? What an interesting hobby you seem to have! Perhaps one day you will understand that not everyone is just willing to accept everything as it is, but you being that kind of yes-man means you probably never will - you'll be too busy nodding your head.

Well, you can see my view on that it isn't being a yes man above. If you read my posts on here I don't exactly say yes often do I!

Yes, I come on here to see what people are moaning about today, although the time spent doing it I wouldn't class it as a hobby. Your interesting hobby must be joining in with the moaning and how evil the world is etc, etc.

If you need to use the word troll to describe someone who disagrees with you it shows a lot about your personality.

smcaul

uktim29 wrote: »

Sometimes I wonder, is it only me who manages not to end up in countless arguments when things go wrong and still get the outcome I desire.

Probably, especially if you set your sights lower then everyone else, you will of course then be happy with an outcome many of us would not settle for.

uktim29

smcaul wrote: »

Probably, especially if you set your sights lower then everyone else

Where do I say this? What the point in using an assumption to back up your point of view, if you do that it's meaningless.

The thing is it's not even a point of view, it's just an assumption.

If I set my sights lower than everyone else, why would I post on here, surely I'd just accept things!

smcaul

uktim29 wrote: »

Where do I say this? What the point in using an assumption to back up your point of view, if you do that it's meaningless.

The thing is it's not even a point of view, it's just an assumption.

If I set my sights lower than everyone else, why would I post on here, surely I'd just accept things!

Apologies, my mistake, you are obviously just so much better then the rest of us, I bow to your superior negotiating skills :rotfl::rolleyes2:rolleyes2

uktim29

smcaul wrote: »

Apologies, my mistake, you are obviously just so much better then the rest of us, I bow to your superior negotiating skills :rotfl::rolleyes2:rolleyes2

I don't think it's a case of being better, just basic communication and negotiating skills!