When may you ask for a vat receipt.

The_Deep

This is interesting

If you're a VAT-registered business, you should normally issue a VAT invoice when you sell goods or provide services to another VAT-registered business. ... However you only need to issue a v.a.t. invoice when selling to another VAT-registered business. This means you don't need to issue VAT invoices to customers who aren't VAT registered. In practice, this may mean issuing a VAT invoice to customers who ask for one, as you won't usually know if they are VAT registered or not. However, you don't have to check if a customer is VAT-registered before issuing a VAT invoice.

https://www.nibusinessinfo.co.uk/content/understand-vat-invoices-and-receipts

I am not registered for v.a.t. and have no expertise in this matter, but I take this to mean that anyone, whether registered or not, may ask for a v.a.t. an invoice, and a PPC would have few grounds on which to refuse one.

As they are required to issue v.a.t. receipts when asked, should we therefore be also asking all PPCs to provide v.a.t. invoices where v.a.t. is chargeable? I think so.

Umkomaas

AIUI:

VAT applies to contractual charges (IPC model),
VAT does not apply to liquidated damages/GPEOL (BPA model)
VAT does not apply to penalties (arguably any PPC model!!)

arcon5

But a private company cannot issue 'penalties' to consumers - so they'd have great difficulty arguably VAT is not chargeable.

Not sure what the point of getting one is though? What difference does it make?

EnigmaPart1

Asking for a vat invoice is a load of hogwash as far as parking companies are concerned.
It makes not one jot of difference to any appeal

BenefitMaster

EnigmaPart1 wrote: »

Asking for a vat invoice is a load of hogwash as far as parking companies are concerned.
It makes not one jot of difference to any appeal

But it can be used in court to demonstrate that the so called "core contractual term" isn't.

bazster

The point is that it potentially puts the PPC in a difficult position if they are claiming that their extortion is in fact a contractual charge.

If they are not accounting for VAT on their charges then their choices are all difficult: issue a fraudulent VAT invoice, refuse to issue a VAT invoice, or admit that it wasn't a contractual charge after all.

It's been advised often, but since I've never seen anyone report back here having tried it its impossible to say how most of PPC's might react.

EnigmaPart1

The trouble is advising tom !!!!!! and harry to "Ask for a VAT invoice" doesn't actually make a blind bit of difference at the appeal stage of proceedings and this is where things are dealt with most of time.

It such an irrelevance with dealing with these companies and people who say "get a vat invoice" perhaps should go and pick up one of these tickets and road test it.

bazster

We're not all PoPLA-obsessed Phil.

bod1467

I did wonder who Enigma was. Now it makes sense.

EnigmaPart1

bazster wrote: »

The point is that it potentially puts the PPC in a difficult position if they are claiming that their extortion is in fact a contractual charge.

If they are not accounting for VAT on their charges then their choices are all difficult: issue a fraudulent VAT invoice, refuse to issue a VAT invoice, or admit that it wasn't a contractual charge after all.

It's been advised often, but since I've never seen anyone report back here having tried it its impossible to say how most of PPC's might react.

As ive said previously the is no point things be advised if no one is prepared to grab the bull by horns and actually go and trial it out. There is only any point in doing stuff if the is a chance it could work and without trying it how will people know?

Its all very to discuss and hypothesise over what may and may not work, but it doesn't do much good if these things are not put in to action and then proven to either work or not work

The_Deep

We're not all PoPLA-obsessed Phil

Baster has hit the nail on the head (again). Some people are just unable to see beyond their noses.

My post has nothing to do with PoPLA, the best way to stop PPCs ripping off the sheeple is to make life difficult for them, and no-one can make life more difficult for businesses than The Revenue.

The very smell of a complaint to HMRC may well convince a PPC that they would be wise to cancel the charge. Surely that is better than winning a PoPLA appeal.

People ... perhaps should go and pick up one of these tickets and road test it.

So, how do you road test the air bags in your car, drive into a tree?