Who's at fault - student or lecturer?

bestpud

melancholly wrote: »

glad to see that, true to form, you've completely ignored all the advice about doing this that people gave you........ you are not academic - there is nothing wrong with that, people aren't all good at exams and it doesn't mean that they are less intelligent or will succeed less in life. play to your strengths - further academic work is so clearly going down the route of one of your weaknesses - but still, you refuse to listen!

i can't understand how you expect to learn anything at uni - you disregard things that people say when you don't like them and plough right on ahead sure that you know best - obviously, your mark is due to uni letting you down, nothing to do with you.....

i think i'll revert to plan b, banging my head against the wall, as it will be more productive than trying to reason with you, phil!

Lol, cross posted! I guess it's easier for others to see the issues here?

3plus1

I think we've drifted well and truly off the topic now.

Most people would agree that welfare support has nothing to do with the role of a lecturer. That is for the student support services available through the central university or student union.

Perhaps we should just have one thread permanently dedicated to Phil to cut down on this constantly repeated digression from the issue at hand? :rolleyes:

studentphil

melancholly wrote: »

glad to see that, true to form, you've completely ignored all the advice about doing this that people gave you........ you are not academic - there is nothing wrong with that, people aren't all good at exams and it doesn't mean that they are less intelligent or will succeed less in life. play to your strengths - further academic work is so clearly going down the route of one of your weaknesses - but still, you refuse to listen!

i can't understand how you expect to learn anything at uni - you disregard things that people say when you don't like them and plough right on ahead sure that you know best - obviously, your mark is due to uni letting you down, nothing to do with you.....

i think i'll revert to plan b, banging my head against the wall, as it will be more productive than trying to reason with you, phil!

I never said I was going to start a masters next week. I think I need mature a bit in myself first and find a career path I am good at, then in a few years time look at Masters to see if it is right for me and if I have grown enough to be able to cope with one.

melancholly

3plus1 wrote: »

Perhaps we should just have one thread permanently dedicated to Phil to cut down on this constantly repeated digression from the issue at hand? :rolleyes:

dare you to put it on the suggestions board?
(and is it possible to restrict someone to only posting on one thread?! )

studentphil

bestpud wrote: »

Who did you go to and who were you sent on to? I'm not really clear who you spoke to iykwim? It sounds to me like a counsellor would have been (may still be) a good idea as you do not seem happy with yourself to me.

It doesn't really matter now, no, but I think it is something you definitely need to be clear on before you even think of embarking on an MA. Honestly, if you don't, you run the risk of following the same path again.

For one thing, I believe you have a disability but did not feel you received any support with it (sorry if I've got it wrong - I'm going on memory here)? That is one thing you would absolutely need to sort properly if you feel it would help your ability to study.

Also, if you haven't fully worked out where the lack of support issue stemmed from, then what are you going to do to prevent the same happening again?

I really think you need to think very hard about this - it's a lot of expense if you aren't going to enjoy it, or just do not have the required skills. THat's not meant as a criticism as I firmly believe everyone is excellent at something and there are more forms of intelligence than academic ability. It would be soul destroying to chase something that is just not right for you!

Teaching school said disability support, disability support said teaching school- both were right in a way but it is a grey area so will always be problematic. I know my problem was lacking enough maturity and enough belief in myself to be able to cope in such an unstructured environment. But some of my problems did come from those grey areas, which I would be able to address in advance in future.

candygirl

Having read all this I have just one question for Phil.Why the hell do you think a masters degree will help you?It will be a lot harder, more expensive etc than a normal degree.Please think about this before embarking on it:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

studentphil

candygirl wrote: »

Having read all this I have just one question for Phil.Why the hell do you think a masters degree will help you?It will be a lot harder, more expensive etc than a normal degree.Please think about this before embarking on it:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Because I want to enter surveying or Facilities management and you need to study for that. If I can have some experience in it before hand then I might not find the PG course for those so hard.

bestpud

3plus1 wrote: »

I think we've drifted well and truly off the topic now.

Perhaps we should just have one thread permanently dedicated to Phil to cut down on this constantly repeated digression from the issue at hand? :rolleyes:

Hmmm, you're right!

Studentphil - you do have an extraordinary talent for drawing people into your dilemas. I don't know how you do it but there must be a job that would allow you to put that talent to better use? Not having a go btw but it does happen time and time again and I can't even say I'm ignorant of the fact that this has been discussed before, and before that, and before that...!

Personally, I think you are looking too far ahead. Stop thinking about it, get some work (any work) as it is easier to get a job when you have a job, and build up your confidence. The rest will probably follow on, but you're on a hiding to nothing by chasing that illusive goal in your head. In 20 years time, you could still be sat there waiting for it to drop in your lap. It just won't happen - life's what you make it - get out there and grasp it with both hands!!!

Right, back to the question in hand - sorry OP ! For all the reasons I've stated, I think it is the student who has ultimate responsibility for the outcome of their studies. Interesting and/or approachable lecturers is certainly a bonus but it is not the be all and end all imo.

NekoZombie

studentphil wrote: »

But you forget Britain is new to the university game. Most of Europe, however, has had many universities for many 100s of years and they were places of teaching first and foremost up until about 150 years ago.

I disliked university because of things in me and because of things in the functioning systems, I accept that.

What??? Oxford has a history going back to 1188!!! The UK has one of the oldest histories of providing higher education. What on earth are you talking about?

NekoZombie

By the way studentphil - if you went to uni and hated it, I don't understand why you want to go back for more of the same! You clearly don't rate the system at all.