How to beat All IPC windscreen parking tickets

The_Deep

Let me see if I have got this right. You return to the car and there is a ticket on the windscreen.

At this point anyone can be/has been/will be the driver, but once that person has been nominated, that person's name is made known to the PPC, along with a "serviceable address" which has nothing to do with their place of abode, but at which, (if they are inclined), they can collect their mail. At this point the RK ceases to be involved

The driver then ignores future correspondence from the PPC. If the PPC obtains a CCJ it goes to the person named at the address which they are reputed to service and lies there. It cannot be traced back to the named driver, ever, not even by a Norwich Pharmacal Order?

Have I grasped the baton perspicatiously? Is the appellants date of birth known to the PPC?

How does one obtain one of these addresses?

Castle

Would a service address in Scotland also help!

4consumerrights

Any service address would be of assistance !

I can vouch for the opening poster in this :-)


The scheme does work and the PPCs not to put a fine point on it are non too pleased however - as long as the initial appeal is done at the service address and it is a real address, then there is nothing else they can do.

Quite simply under POFA - the Registered Keeper can only be pursued if the driver's details and serviceable address are not known at the time of issuing the parking charge.

Naturally in the initial appeal - it must be stated that it is the DRIVER appealing the charge!

halibut2209

EnigmaPart1 wrote: »

certain addresses are "appearing all the time with people admitting to be the driver", and the is nothing they can do about it because real addresses are being used, and they CANNOT go to the DVLA as they no longer have reasonable cause to do so since they have been a perfectly serviceable address.

This appears to be the crux, and I cannot agree with you. If the PPC can show some doubt into the validity of the address, then I would say that they do have "reasonable cause". And not forgetting that the DVLA is right up there with the PPCs and only interested in money.

Castle

4consumerrights wrote: »

Any service address would be of assistance !

I can vouch for the opening poster in this :-)


The scheme does work and the PPCs not to put a fine point on it are non too pleased however - as long as the initial appeal is done at the service address and it is a real address, then there is nothing else they can do.

Quite simply under POFA - the Registered Keeper can only be pursued if the driver's details and serviceable address are not known at the time of issuing the parking charge.

Naturally in the initial appeal - it must be stated that it is the DRIVER appealing the charge!

I was more thinking along the lines of any potential court action with a Scottish service address

esmerobbo

halibut2209 wrote: »

This appears to be the crux, and I cannot agree with you. If the PPC can show some doubt into the validity of the address, then I would say that they do have "reasonable cause". And not forgetting that the DVLA is right up there with the PPCs and only interested in money.

If the driver appeals from that address?

4consumerrights

halibut2209 wrote: »

This appears to be the crux, and I cannot agree with you. If the PPC can show some doubt into the validity of the address, then I would say that they do have "reasonable cause". And not forgetting that the DVLA is right up there with the PPCs and only interested in money.

This has already been covered and would be a breach of the KADOE contract with the DVLA. If the driver at the serviceable address makes the appeal then there is nothing further that can be done in getting the RK details.

You also have to bear in mind that this is for WINDSCREEN tickets and those tickets allow the driver to make the appeal within 28 days - the PPC can only get RK details and issue pcn under POFA from day 29-56 to invoke keeper liability.

EnigmaPart1

Castle wrote: »

Would a service address in Scotland also help!

Scottish service addresses would also work yes, more then helpful:)

EnigmaPart1

The_Deep wrote: »

Let me see if I have got this right. You return to the car and there is a ticket on the windscreen.

At this point anyone can be/has been/will be the driver, but once that person has been nominated, that person's name is made known to the PPC, along with a "serviceable address" which has nothing to do with their place of abode, but at which, (if they are inclined), they can collect their mail. At this point the RK ceases to be involved

The driver then ignores future correspondence from the PPC. If the PPC obtains a CCJ it goes to the person named at the address which they are reputed to service and lies there. It cannot be traced back to the named driver, ever, not even by a Norwich Pharmacal Order?

Have I grasped the baton perspicatiously? Is the appellants date of birth known to the PPC?

How does one obtain one of these addresses?

THE DOB is not known to the PPC

Well these addresses are just normal residential addresses.

EnigmaPart1

halibut2209 wrote: »

This appears to be the crux, and I cannot agree with you. If the PPC can show some doubt into the validity of the address, then I would say that they do have "reasonable cause". And not forgetting that the DVLA is right up there with the PPCs and only interested in money.

The DVLA has confirmed through my talks with them that as longer as the driver can be contacted through this address then removes reasonable cause.

The PPCS know what is being done and they know they have to play ball and if they dont we will be all over them.

The DVLA have told the BPA that as long as the address is correct then they have to comply with POFA.