BMW - The Ultimate Driving Delusion?

neilmcl

TrickyWicky wrote: »

I won't name the model, I don't want to be linked to other forums etc however all i will say is a colleague of mine paid £5k for his beemer a few years back that was apparently getting him laid every week. We went to lunch one day in my frog mobile.. he was nearly sick with envy and wouldn't shut up about how much better it was than his. All i kept hearing was "i love this car.. my bmw isn't a patch on it"

If you're not prepared to mention the model then your post was largely irrelevant.

heartbreak_star

darkmatter101 wrote: »

Aygo, VW Up etc can of course be driven on the motorway but would I want to drive one of them on a motorway on a regular basis? No!

High revs will be noisy at higher speeds and every time a larger vehicle passes by you will get swung left and right as they are such light cars. Most importantly I would rather be in a bigger, heavier car if I ever had an accident rather than a flimsy Skoda City

*giggles* really?

I have been all over the country in both a Fiat Seicento and a Vauxhall Corsa, perfectly comfortable on motorways and never been "swung left and right"!

The Skoda Citigo also has a 5-star NCAP rating, which is exactly the same as the 3-series BMW. It's not about the size, it's about the safety engineering.

HBS x

James_B.

Joe_Horner wrote: »

Not at sensible road speeds.

To put an Elise anywhere near its handling limits on a public road takes extreme stupidity, such as entering corners at speeds that you haven't got a hope in hell of avoiding anything lurking round it no matter what you're driving.

Rubbish. It only takes a little too much throttle on theexit of a damp roundabout, and you've got the back end of an Elise stepping out. You can do it at 30mph iif you like, or even less.

You really are posting some ill-informed rot here.

You are also cofusing handling and grip. They are not the same thing.

force_ten

darkmatter101 wrote: »

No it isn't all about engine size and 0-60. Go drive even an entry level BMW 1 series and I can guarantee its suspension setup and rear wheel drive layout will feel 10 times better than any French car around some bends.

but people in entry level BMw 1 series are not real BMW enthusiasts in your opinion, see below what darkmater101 has to say in a previous post

I would agree that a lot of members from 'BMW Land' and 'Bimmer forums' would criticise me for my words, however, you tend to find that the people criticizing are those who have the 4 cylinder entry level BMW's such as the 118d, 320d, 318i's etc. They are not real BMW enthusiasts and simply buy the car for it's badge prestige.
BUT come on the M3 forums and you will find that they all pretty much hold similar beliefs to myself. We do respect the non-M 6 cylinder BMW's but anything below no, and trying to overtake in any low powered Fiat or Ford should be made illegal.

that also includes your famous, " trying to overtake in any low powered Fiat or Ford should be made illegal" quote

:rotfl::rotfl:

Mr_Mink

darkmatter101 wrote: »

Aygo, VW Up etc can of course be driven on the motorway but would I want to drive one of them on a motorway on a regular basis? No!

High revs will be noisy at higher speeds and every time a larger vehicle passes by you will get swung left and right as they are such light cars. Most importantly I would rather be in a bigger, heavier car if I ever had an accident rather than a flimsy Skoda City

I suspect you haven't been in a modern city car have you? My Up does a 52 mile round trip to work each day, about a third of that is dual carriageway, during which time the car is quiet since my car has this incredible concept of a longer gear ratio so it sits at a shade over 3k revs which is perfectly quiet (and before you say it, I'm sure your car can do 2k revs in 6th gear at 70 mph bla bla bla, but 3k hasn't deafened me yet).

I also have yet to be blown into the surrounding countryside by another car whizzing by me. To be honest, I have only been buffeted by extremely strong winds which would have blown any car about.

And whilst I haven't tested it, it has been mentioned previously that the car has a 5 star Euro ncap rating so it's perfectly safe too.

I also have more room inside than my mate's 1 series (bar the boot) .

Johnnytwostep

what you are all forgetting is that all cars, except for the M3 s*x-machine (and possibly a Lexus/toyota) are rubbish.

BeenThroughItAll

darkmatter101 wrote: »

you have got to be kidding right? You're comparing a French car (might have been useful to say which one it was?) to a BMW? Drive a proper big engined BMW and then come back and tell me there is nothing much to them pass the badge.

Not everyone is the same. I've had, as I've said before, an E46 M3 and an E39 M5, and since I passed my test (probably before you even knew what an M3 looked like) I have driven over three-quarters of a million miles in all sorts of cars. I now drive a 130K, two and a half grand Volvo V70 diesel because you know what? It does what I want, and I don't give a crap what an ill-informed, child-like liar such as you thinks is best.

darkmatter101 wrote: »

Aygo, VW Up etc can of course be driven on the motorway but would I want to drive one of them on a motorway on a regular basis? No!

High revs will be noisy at higher speeds and every time a larger vehicle passes by you will get swung left and right as they are such light cars. Most importantly I would rather be in a bigger, heavier car if I ever had an accident rather than a flimsy Skoda City

Rubbish. If you can't drive a Citigo on a motorway without being 'swung left and right', then you need more driving lessons. Ever driven a <700KG Caterham on a motorway? Or a <200KG motorcycle? Light doesn't equal being thrown around by passing traffic. Anticipation and experience will mitigate that in >90% of circumstances.

darkmatter101 wrote: »

No it isn't all about engine size and 0-60. Go drive even an entry level BMW 1 series and I can guarantee its suspension setup and rear wheel drive layout will feel 10 times better than any French car around some bends.

And yet, you keep coming back to how your "M3" is so fast and great and how it has a big V8 and how you had a straight six before, and you've stated how you like to roar around and bully people; so you clearly think speed and engine size is pretty important. So you have a big V8... bully for you. I borrowed a Phaeton W12 for a couple of months a few years back. How cool does that make me? It doesn't.


For a short while, it seemed like you'd grown up and stopped talking such rot. Unfortunately, you've once again displayed your immaturity and complete lack of balance, and that makes me sad.

Have you driven every car ever made? Your posts, stating your point of view as fact, imply that you must have done, but that is simply not possible or likely.

Remember everyone, these posts are from the chap who posted a full review of his new car, only to admit later the whole thing was an elaborate fabrication; no, LIE; intended to generate popularity and imply a level of expertise clearly quite lacking.

Darkmatter101, you really need to start thinking before you post, or just stop posting.

Strider590

I think it's psychological...... Much like a placebo.

People think they're better, so they seem better.

Personally the last one I was in, I found shocking, a Z4, the dash was plastic fantastic, felt like it was going to fall apart, worse than an old Subaru.
BUT people see past this stuff because they've been brainwashed by socially derived opinions.
These "prestige" brands just play at massaging peoples egos and that's why so many incompetent drivers buy these things.

By my definition, the ultimate driving machine is something that neither interferes with OR helps the driver, no radio, no aircon and doesn't carry shopping, a car which on the limit steers with the throttle instead of the steering wheel. A road legal racing car fits that description and that's exactly what I have in my garage.

colino

Good thing that we all have different tastes, as if we actually analysed our needs, we would all be running around in base Dacia Sanderos (white of course, no frivolous, gaudy, eye candy) and hire estates, minibuses, vans and track cars for the handful of days we actually need them.
Good thing too some of us actually enjoy cars and driving them or Hyundai with their beige, front wheel drive washing machines would button up the UK market.

Strider590

colino wrote: »

Good thing too some of us actually enjoy cars and driving them or Hyundai with their beige, front wheel drive washing machines would button up the UK market.

I don't enjoy driving, at least not on the daily commute, too many f**kwits about, too much road rage, too many plastic policemen, too many vigilantes, too many egos. Then there's the roads, covered in lose stones and pot holes, my everyday car is covered in scratches, dents and stone chips, it's had 2 new windscreens in 4 years.

Why would I want to subject a "nice car" to that sort of crap?
Why spend that sort of money on something which other people make sure you can't enjoy?

I'd much rather a weekend car that I can take out at 5am (when all the incompetent tin-top drivers/cagers are is still in bed) and actually enjoy properly.

So if im going to have a 2nd car, then why does it need to do anything that my every day car does?

This ^^ is why I just don't see the point in having these "prestige" motors, they're just a compromise.