Do you recommend using oil extractor/syphon rather than draining from sump plug?

darkmatter101

I am thinking of investing in a oil extractor such as this:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sealey-Manual-Vacuum-Fluid-Extractor/dp/B000RA16CO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1411469867&sr=8-1&keywords=oil+extractor

The cost of the extractor will easily pay off in less than a year. I can use it only my Yaris, my girlfriends Yaris and my fathers Golf mk6 1.4 petrol.

Are there any disadvantages of using this oil change method compared to the conventional oil drain from the sump plug?

BeenThroughItAll

If you're buying an extractor, don't bother with anything other than a Pela. They kick all the others into a cocked hat.


Many people will tell you that extractors are rubbish, that they'll leave loads of sludge behind in the sump, etc etc; but I've been using one for years and have never had problems with dirty oil or sludginess. Don't forget that marine diesels have had their oil changed using vacuum extractors for years - you cant get at the sump if it's in the bilges.


On my dad's motorhome, I've been changing the oil for about six years and 70K+ with a Pela, and when we did an engine change for a later DI motor a few months ago I had cause to remove the sump and fit a new gasket before selling on the older motor. It was clean as a whistle inside.


I can change the oil on my V70 in 15 minutes whilst wearing my suit without getting dirty or spilling oil anywhere. Extractor makes it so easy I change oil every 6-8K on all the vehicles I look after, and regular changes have got to be a good thing.

Johnnytwostep

I wouldn't use it on your M3 or your Lexus though

BeenThroughItAll

Johnnytwostep wrote: »

I wouldn't use it on your M3 or your Lexus though

Wondered how long it'd be before that got mentioned

darkmatter101

BeenThroughItAll wrote: »

If you're buying an extractor, don't bother with anything other than a Pela. They kick all the others into a cocked hat.

I think the one being sold by Screw Fix is the Pela extractor?

http://www.screwfix.com/p/oil-fluid-extractor-6ltr/21663?kpid=21663&cm_mmc=Google-_-Product%20Listing%20Ads-_-Sales%20Tracking-_-sales%20tracking%20url&kpid=21663&cm_mmc=Google-_-Shopping%20-%20Car%20and%20Van-_-Shopping%20-%20Car%20and%20Van&gclid=CjwKEAjwtIShBRD08fKD1OWSik4SJAAuKLovwY4LBeUjFkqC9zFyw4XlzN74hfB51wbr7nMYhNUiCRoC3fHw_wcB

I have read up online a lot of people do say it doesn't catch the sludge left at the bottom of the sump pan. I'm not too sure, but I wouldn't think modern cars would have sludge is the oil is changed regularly?

If I so purchase this oil extractor, I also would like to use it on my older brothers 2007 Audi A3 2.0 TDI with 185k miles on the clock. That car has had oil changes every 20k miles (long life oil) but am I wrong in saying that even a high mileage modern oil burner wouldn't have sludge?

Johnnytwostep

BeenThroughItAll wrote: »

Wondered how long it'd be before that got mentioned

Glad I did not disappoint

darkmatter101

Johnnytwostep wrote: »

I wouldn't use it on your M3 or your Lexus though

M3 doesn't have a dip stick unfortunately

BeenThroughItAll

darkmatter101 wrote: »

I think the one being sold by Screw Fix is the Pela extractor?

http://www.screwfix.com/p/oil-fluid-extractor-6ltr/21663?kpid=21663&cm_mmc=Google-_-Product%20Listing%20Ads-_-Sales%20Tracking-_-sales%20tracking%20url&kpid=21663&cm_mmc=Google-_-Shopping%20-%20Car%20and%20Van-_-Shopping%20-%20Car%20and%20Van&gclid=CjwKEAjwtIShBRD08fKD1OWSik4SJAAuKLovwY4LBeUjFkqC9zFyw4XlzN74hfB51wbr7nMYhNUiCRoC3fHw_wcB

I have read up online a lot of people do say it doesn't catch the sludge left at the bottom of the sump pan. I'm not too sure, but I wouldn't think modern cars would have sludge is the oil is changed regularly?

If I so purchase this oil extractor, I also would like to use it on my older brothers 2007 Audi A3 2.0 TDI with 185k miles on the clock. That car has had oil changes every 20k miles (long life oil) but am I wrong in saying that even a high mileage modern oil burner wouldn't have sludge?

Looks like a Pela, isn't a Pela.


Buy the 10L column type version of the Pela, there's no point having the small ball-type or you may end up emptying half way through a change. Hassle you don't need.


There *could* be sludge in anything, but if it's in the sump and not blocking the strainer, ie no oil pressure concerns, then it doesn't matter that much if it stays there. If you've ever actually examined the sludge in a sump closely, though, you'll know that it's exactly that - sludgy - and probably won't come out with a sump-plug drain anyway.


Only worry I'd have with the Audi is that the VAG 20K extended drain interval is really too long for how fragile that 2.0TDI can be. I'd start doing 10K changes at that mileage if it were me.

AdrianC

It's one thing changing the oil whilst wearing a suit and white gloves. But what about the filter?

BeenThroughItAll

AdrianC wrote: »

It's one thing changing the oil whilst wearing a suit and white gloves. But what about the filter?

I generally wear black nitrile gloves


V70 (and my old Skoda Superb 1.9TD, and others I've owned) use a replaceable paper-element type filter which is accessible from above and which is mounted upright so no oil drains out and makes a mess. Just a case of having a bag to hand to put the dirty filter in.


Also means I can remove all the oil from the oil-cooler using a smaller bore vacuum pipe on the extractor.

motorguy

darkmatter101 wrote: »

I am thinking of investing in a oil extractor such as this:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sealey-Manual-Vacuum-Fluid-Extractor/dp/B000RA16CO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1411469867&sr=8-1&keywords=oil+extractor

The cost of the extractor will easily pay off in less than a year. I can use it only my Yaris, my girlfriends Yaris and my fathers Golf mk6 1.4 petrol.

Are there any disadvantages of using this oil change method compared to the conventional oil drain from the sump plug?

I thought you were changing your Yaris, if not for the IS250 that you showed this for another one?

Change of plan??