Legality of having two jobs (at the same time).

Bantex_2

If either found out you would be sacked and unlikely to get a reference.

Another_not_new_user

RuthnJasper wrote: »

And if the employers don't rumble you, the taxman certainly will - when the two Payroll departments submit their tax data on you.

In the OP's position I would be less concerned about the employers finding out, or the taxman finding out. The employers will probably only sack you / make sure you have no references. The taxman won't care as long as the tax paid on the income is correct, because fraud of someone else isn't really their concern. What I would be REALLY worried about is the DWP - who WILL find out because HMRC routinely share information with them and compare "stories". Claiming benefits (SSP) falsely is a criminal offence - doing so deliberately is a serious criminal offence. And even if the OP gets company sick pay, they will be claiming SSP - that is routinely claimed by the employer as part of the company sick pay whether employees know it or not. There is little likelihood that the DWP would take a lenient view of this.


And after they fail to take a lenient view of it, there are all those other little inconveniences, like the question on all your insurance applications/renewals about fraud, which, if they don't actually find out about it anyway through all that inconvenient data sharing that goes on, you can almost certainly bet they will find out about just after you total your car in an accident or your house floods - invalidating your insurance because you will have lied on the application form.


A "small fraud" can and will ruin your life and your lifestyle. If being unwilling to take the same risk that everyone else does when changing jobs is worth that, then you are both stupid and deserve everything that you get.

emg

I work in the NHS where working somewhere else while off-sick is considered fraud and people who are caught always face criminal charges.

Takeaway_Addict

NoNoDrama wrote: »

His company would have had no choice but to take him back...they obviously weren't a very professional outfit disclosing confidential information like that being left wide open to be sued. If you are a manager (which i doubt) you wouldn't be niave enough to bury your head in the sand and realise people do use sick time to for interviews. Both yours and their company sound like small time organisations.

Don't be silly, if notice is given then that's it.

The employee may have redress against a FALSE reference but they would have to goto court to enforce this.

Annisele

emg wrote: »

I work in the NHS where working somewhere else while off-sick is considered fraud and people who are caught always face criminal charges.

I don't think the OP will believe you - OP seems to think that big employers can't be bothered with stuff like that.

Admittedly my only experience is for fairly small employers, but I don't think there's a company size over which nobody cares about fraud.

NoNoDrama

Lots of bitter unemployables who can't get a job on here guess I should have been more empathic to their cause instead of unintentionally boasting about having two jobs.

Anyway I've done things the right way. Had a long chat with boss today. He understands the reasons for me leaving and said they would leave the door open for me to come back if new role wasn't for me (as I'm a model employee in their words) but on the caveat I'd quite possibly be placed in a different department as company requirements dictate (which is fair enough).

Best to leave on good terms and good to know I have a back-up

G/L to those who are trying to find work. Job hunting is an art-form y'know and if you want any tips feel free to PM me.

jc808

DomRavioli wrote: »

You would need to seek professional legal advice - I would advise completely against doing anything of such a nature as it is wholly unethical, and what will your prospective employer think when they find out what you've done? If I were your manager and I found out you'd done that, you'd be sacked.

Morally, it is seriously messed up.

You could be sacked from both as you are not sick (committing fraud), and any sick note handed in could constitute fraud as well as gross misconduct from both roles, resulting in instant dismissal.

They may also put down that you're currently on sick leave on any reference and the dates of such, and having worked at the new job for less than 2 years they can sack you without reason.

It is just an absolutely stupid idea - it can, and will probably lead to you losing both jobs.

If its was cash in hand work, building site stuff or something - id say yes.
Anything more formal than that its very risky

I wouldnt.

phill99

NoNoDrama wrote: »

Lots of bitter unemployables who can't get a job on here guess I should have been more empathic to their cause instead of unintentionally boasting about having two jobs.

Anyway I've done things the right way. Had a long chat with boss today. He understands the reasons for me leaving and said they would leave the door open for me to come back if new role wasn't for me (as I'm a model employee in their words) but on the caveat I'd quite possibly be placed in a different department as company requirements dictate (which is fair enough).

Best to leave on good terms and good to know I have a back-up

G/L to those who are trying to find work. Job hunting is an art-form y'know and if you want any tips feel free to PM me.

I'd rather drive nails through my own testicles than ask some one as obnoxious as you about job hunting.

Another_not_new_user

phill99 wrote: »

I'd rather drive nails through my own testicles than ask some one as obnoxious as you about job hunting.

Yeah, of course the boss said all that nice stuff to him. Some of the best references I have ever seen came about the laziest, nastiest and least employable people you could meet. It's the fastest way to get rid of them. OP hasn't tried crawling back with his tail between his legs yet. If he has to I wouldn't like to bet on the number of vacancies available.

mattcanary

NoNoDrama wrote: »

Been offered a new job but nervous about leaving my current job in case of my new job turns out to be a nightmare.

I was planning on going long-term sick with my current employer (stressful situation to be fair) whilst starting this new job for a trial period. Thinking being if this new job turns out to be a bad I got the comfort of going back to my old job.

Yes morally it's a bit naughty as I'll be getting paid from both employers, the employer I'm leaving being the one that wouldn't be the most happy of course.

I'd only need 2 weeks or so to gauge whether this new job is for me, so i'll get a sick note from doc covering the two weeks.

References? Not a problem it's a massive company with an out-sourced HR department so my direct manager will be none the wiser when new company approaches for a reference.

Would I be breaking any law by doing this? Thanks.

Just a ridiculous idea.