should employer identify colleague who reported me for looking tired

tir21

tomtontom wrote: »

If you are accustomed to shift work you should look no more tired at 8am than someone finishing a day shift at 4pm. If someone believes they have a legitimate concern then they were right to raise the issue.

What was the outcome of their report?

The trouble with that answer is that it ignores millions of years of evolution and the circadian rhythms are bodies are subject to

If there were no difference between being awake all day and awake all night then there would be no health implications associated with the latter

Thanks for the input though

tir21

RichardD1970 wrote: »

I work permanent nights, 7:45pm - 6am doing a hard, physically intense job and I don't think any of us look particularly tired when going home.

I must say that does surprise me. Everyone I know looks a bit worse for wear after working ten till 8 in the morning

tomtontom

tir21 wrote: »

The trouble with that answer is that it ignores millions of years of evolution and the circadian rhythms are bodies are subject to

If there were no difference between being awake all day and awake all night then there would be no health implications associated with the latter

Thanks for the input though

Rubbish - I worked nights for a few years and had no problems with it. The health implications are perpetuated by those looking for an excuse for avoiding hard work.

tir21

tomtontom wrote: »

Rubbish - I worked nights for a few years and had no problems with it. The health implications are perpetuated by those looking for an excuse for avoiding hard work.

That conclusion would seem to run counter to the medical reach outlined below

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2542780/Working-shifts-damage-1-500-genes-New-finding-explain-shift-work-associated-health-problems.html

specialboy

I work 12 hour nights 8-8am and have done for 7 years and feel no more tired after my shift than a day worker does after doing there's.

Joanthebone

I have to agree with specialboy, I have worked 6am - 6pm shifts (with one 20 minute break) and 6pm - 6am shifts (with one 20 minute break) and either way its just the same ... knackering!! But its a job.


I found it easier to just get on with it and try to keep a smile on my face and a positive attitude.

specialboy

OP, in today's 24 hr society it's only to be expected that someone's got to work nights, if you are struggling and getting tired easily maybe you should either look at how you are managing your downtime or get a job that involves day shift only.

tir21

specialboy wrote: »

OP, in today's 24 hr society it's only to be expected that someone's got to work nights, if you are struggling and getting tired easily maybe you should either look at how you are managing your downtime or get a job that involves day shift only.

I wouldnt say im struggling- no more than any of my other coworkers

Howevrer it is the case that I have to stifle the odd yawn as its coming up to 8am- but I dont consider that to affect my ability to do the job

Another_not_new_user

tir21 wrote: »

Another not new user

Thanks for your input and I know you are trying to be helpful but I don't think it's quite right when you say:

"Victimisation only exists if the complaint is based on a proscribed discrimination, or the exercise of a statutory right."

The following is from citizens advice website

"If you have complained about discrimination and feel that you are being singled out for treatment that is different from others doing a similar job – in other words, you feel ‘picked on’ because of the complaint, it is victimisation.The difference is that while discriminatory actions are possibly based on, for example, age, disability, race, religion, sex or sexuality, victimisation is unfair treatment because of other issues.!"

If you were right in what you say then it would be the case that simply bullying someone because you don't like them would not be anythig an employr could do anything about

"Unfair" is a matter of opinion. Illegal is an entirely different matter. Nor did I say that employers can't do anything about bullying - not that there is any evidence that this bullying. But try taking a look at how many successful legal claims about bullying without any discriminatory factor have been made. You won't find many, and those that have succeeded have been an awfully lot more serious than "someone complained that I looked tired" on one occasion.

And your employer has done something. They have listened to a grievance that someone submitted about you. They have told you that they will not tell you who made that complaint. You confuse an employer doing nothing with an employer not doing what you want.


So yes it actually is "quite right". Except that CAB obviously forgot to mention that victimisation is also a possible complaint in relation to exercising a statutory right.

tir21 wrote: »

I think you are being incredibly short sighted. Staying awake all night over long periods of time would from current research appear to be a pretty unhealthy thing to do. Youve got to remember that we have evolved over quite sometime to switch off when it gets dark. There is a lot of brain chemistry involved in trying to make you go to sleep that needs to be overcome at 3am in the morning

Consider that there is research that fenale shift worker are at increased risk of developing breast cancer compared to non shift workers. Weight gain and diabetes are also linked to shift work I believe



I think you are getting a bit carried away. Expressing concern that a coworker singles me out for looking tired is not anything that need lead to my leaving the company. It could be seen as a positive step to get this issue out in the open rather than letting it fester

Research can prove anything on either side of an equation. If you genuinely believe that working a night shift is so intrinsically unsafe, then why on earth are you refusing to look for other work, which would both solve your problem and be safer?


How do you know you have been singled out? Does your employer tell you about every complaint made against anyone on their payroll?


And it isn't about getting a single issue out in the open. There seem to be multiple issues that you have in this employment, evidenced by a string of complaints on this board about your employment.

tir21 wrote: »

I wouldnt say im struggling- no more than any of my other coworkers

Howevrer it is the case that I have to stifle the odd yawn as its coming up to 8am- but I dont consider that to affect my ability to do the job

So you told your employer that? Did they agree? So if they agreed, then the matter is over. Why keep digging it over? And if they didn't agree, then why not?


You keep passing over the oft repeated point. It is right for someone to express a concern if they have one. That does not oblige the employer to tell you who raised that concern. There is no "singling out" and no "victimisation" and no evidence at all that it was "malicious". In fact, since you seem to know nothing about the complaint, how do you know that it wasn't someone who was worried about you?

tir21

Another_not_new_user wrote: »

"Unfair" is a matter of opinion. Illegal is an entirely different matter. Nor did I say that employers can't do anything about bullying - not that there is any evidence that this bullying.

there isnt any evidence it isnt bullying

But try taking a look at how many successful legal claims about bullying without any discriminatory factor have been made. You won't find many, and those that have succeeded have been an awfully lot more serious than "someone complained that I looked tired" on one occasion.

i havent said i want to make a legal claim - but i think it right to inform my employer i'm concerned that someone has reported me for looking tired when other people i work with also look tired after night shifts

And your employer has done something. They have listened to a grievance that someone submitted about you. They have told you that they will not tell you who made that complaint

they have no told me that yet

Research can prove anything on either side of an equation. If you genuinely believe that working a night shift is so intrinsically unsafe, then why on earth are you refusing to look for other work, which would both solve your problem and be safer?

many things in life are unsafe. driving a car is unsafe. i enjoy the job so that has to be balanced against a job with less risk of health implications but a job i dont like

How do you know you have been singled out? Does your employer tell you about every complaint made against anyone on their payroll?

everyone i've mentioned it to is incredibly surprised i've been reported for looking tired

And it isn't about getting a single issue out in the open. There seem to be multiple issues that you have in this employment, evidenced by a string of complaints on this board about your employment.

you dont need to concern yourself with those regarding this thread