Benefits if quitting job

mattcanary

I made assumptions about you because you made assumptions about the OP

redcard

mattcanary wrote: »

I made assumptions about you because you made assumptions about the OP

That's quite the retort, kid

mattcanary

redcard wrote: »

That's quite the retort, kid

It's amazing though how often people that criticise others without knowing the full situation, don't like it up'em when you dare to comment about their lives by the same criteria.

lakes17

Originally poste by mattcanary
People not in work - oh, they're benefits scum.

Originally Posted by tomtontom
I don't think anyone is saying that about the OP. Your attitude on the other hand ...

Originally poste by mattcanary
Lakes17 was, for one.

Orignally posted by Lakes17
I find your post quite disturbing. You state that jobs are hard to come by but you are quite happy for your partner to leave a paid job and claim benefits which will be for a good while. You seem to think there is nothing wrong with squeezing the hard pressed taxpayer to pay for your bills even though your partner is capable and indeed is currently working to do that. Instead of using the calculator to see how much you can wring out of the taxpayer surely the best course of action would be to use that time to search for a job and only after finding a job leave the current one. Another point you seem to be overlooking is that their are plenty of people up and down the country who are working in jobs they hate but would never dream of playing the system like you are as they would prefer to work. Also it is very hard to get a job whilst unemployed, especially when you have quit for no good reason than it is if you are currently working


mattcanary - Please tell me where in my text I have said that people on benefits are scum!!! In future read the text properly before writing damaging and incorrect information!!!!

mattcanary

You didn;t use the exact words.


But your post made it quite clear that that is what you think about people that take the action that OP is thinking of taking.


A totally needless post, I may add, in response to a genuine question from the OP.


This forum is to tell people how the existing benefits rules work - not to try and judge the system or people that are asking what they are or may in the future be entitled to claim.

mattcanary

matilda.cs wrote: »

I agree.
£15800 for me. (£0 for her, if done leaves)
3 children (9, 3, 1)
Childcare costs would be zero (though we would aim to keep them in whatever childcare we can personally afford, as it's best for their development)
Private, unfurnished rented, 4 bed house.
No disabilities
Both aged 30

She's asked about a transfer to a new department but they've flat refused.

Just to confirm the only benefit your household would not receive (that you would otherwise be entitled to) if your other half gives up her job voluntarily would be Job Seekers Allowance. This would have been contributions based JSA (but I believe she needs to have been employed continuously for the last two years to be eligible for this), rather than income based JSA.


Yu would only be able to get rent paid up to the amount allowed for a 3 bedroom home in your local authority area, because under the system your two youngest children would be judged to only need one bedroom between them.
Of course, as you are in work you wouldn't get the full amount allowed for your household size (but you probably knew this already anyway!).


I'm not sure about the answer to this but maybe something to look into:
can your other half now change her mind and opt to take the rest of the Maternity Allowance allowed under the legislation (or does she need to make the decision at the beginning of the process).
That may allow her some breathing space to search for a new job?




Would a piece of blackmail do the trick at work - for example, your other half buying some cakes for her colleagues at work one day. May help to break the frosty atmosphere that seems to exist at the moment. Maybe she's tried something like this already. If she's regularly distressed by work, this may be a lame suggestion but just a thought!

matilda.cs

mattcanary wrote: »

Just to confirm the only benefit your household would not receive if your other half gives up her job voluntarily would be Job Seekers Allowance. This would have been contributions based JSA (but I believe she needs to have been employed continuously for the last two years to be eligible for this), rather than income based JSA.


Yu would only be able to get rent paid up to the amount allowed for a 3 bedroom home in your local authority area, because under the system your two youngest children would be judged to only need one bedroom between them.
Of course, as you are in work you wouldn't get the full amount allowed for your household size (but you probably knew this already anyway!).

Thanks - it's actually trickier than that.
I have 4 children, 2 are from a previous partner, and we have them both for 1 whole week in every two. There is already sharing.

My partner has been with her current employer for 10 years but when she had our 3 year old, she dropped hours to 30 pw which it appears they now dislike, and they're being really awkward about being flexible with her lunch breaks. Which they previously said wasn't a problem and allowed her to collect the kids from nursery on the nights that I work late.... This isn't a decision we're taking lightly, and we intend it to only be a stepping stone.

Blackmail won't work. She's tried! She's also constantly overlooked for promotion, and in fact, now has to get approval for things from people that she trained last year. It's a very young environment, and the management look after the young slutty girls, rather than the ones who actually do the work.

And I believe that maternity leave must be taken in one go.

skintmacflint

mattcanary wrote: »

Take off your benefits bashing hat for one minute


To answer your question:
- because they are entitled to receive some benefits (probably), as the rules stand.

Furthermore the key points:
OP has tried working out what they would their family would be entitled to from the state if their other half gave up their current job (which appears to be part-time). Then tried comparing this to their current family income.


OP has calculated that they wouldn't be much worse off as a family if partner gave up current job (although are unsure about their calculations). Therefore posts on this forum asking for help.


Partner hates current job and dreads going in to work. Is thoroughly miserable with the current situation.




So you think someone should stay in their current job (with nothing addressed as to what happens within this role at the moment), rather than end up being slightly worse off financially (maybe until they find a new job) and in all likelihood much better off emotionally, just to prove to idiots that they are not "stealing other people's money"? Despite the fact that in many households only one person works and the family claims various benefits, such as Tax Credits, etc.


Furthermore you think I am offering irresponsible advice?"!!!!!

What would the OPs wife do if such generous benefits weren't available, and she was entitled to zilch. That's how it was when welfare policy was first set up. It was to cover emergencies not life choices.

And in quoting scenarios where people play the system with min work hours to gain max benefits , all I can say is 2 wrongs don't make a right.

It's your sort of attitude which will eventually result in the welfare system being reduced to what it was when first started thereby destroying a safety net for everyone. Because an increasing amount seem to think its perfectly fine to hand the responsibility for providing for the family they have created to someone else.

And in case you think it could never happen, no one thought manufacturing and traditional industries could all but disappear in the UK, the unions would be crushed, nor a bank could collapse.

scootw1

mattcanary wrote: »

Would a piece of blackmail do the trick at work - for example, your other half buying some cakes for her colleagues at work one day. May help to break the frosty atmosphere that seems to exist at the moment. Maybe she's tried something like this already. If she's regularly distressed by work, this may be a lame suggestion but just a thought!

i think you mean bribery not blackmail?

harz99

Given that you posted this:

mattcanary wrote: »

You didn;t use the exact words.


But your post made it quite clear that that is what you think about people that take the action that OP is thinking of taking.


A totally needless post, I may add, in response to a genuine question from the OP.


This forum is to tell people how the existing benefits rules work - not to try and judge the system or people that are asking what they are or may in the future be entitled to claim.

Then you posted this:

mattcanary wrote: »

Just to confirm the only benefit your household would not receive (that you would otherwise be entitled to) if your other half gives up her job voluntarily would be Job Seekers Allowance. This would have been contributions based JSA (but I believe she needs to have been employed continuously for the last two years to be eligible for this), rather than income based JSA.


Yu would only be able to get rent paid up to the amount allowed for a 3 bedroom home in your local authority area, because under the system your two youngest children would be judged to only need one bedroom between them.
Of course, as you are in work you wouldn't get the full amount allowed for your household size (but you probably knew this already anyway!).


I'm not sure about the answer to this but maybe something to look into:
can your other half now change her mind and opt to take the rest of the Maternity Allowance allowed under the legislation (or does she need to make the decision at the beginning of the process).
That may allow her some breathing space to search for a new job?




Would a piece of blackmail do the trick at work - for example, your other half buying some cakes for her colleagues at work one day. May help to break the frosty atmosphere that seems to exist at the moment. Maybe she's tried something like this already. If she's regularly distressed by work, this may be a lame suggestion but just a thought!

Maybe people should steer clear of your advice as you don't seem too sure of the accuracy of what you are saying; and "blackmail" really!