Wireless Monitor For When Baby Falls Asleep In Car?

notanewuser

moomoomama27 wrote: »

I've never been talking about you , you have made it about you! You are being defensive!

My comments were that it is wrong to leave a child. I have pointed out, in my personal and professional opinion, why.

I have pointed out that while your child may climb out of it's cot, many won't. If you think your child is safer sleeping in a car, than in a bed, frankly there's nothing I can say on any level that would make you see that it is not.

I don't feel it OTT to state that the majority of professionals working in safeguarding children would accept that leaving a child alone in a car was ok, they would not. Certainly if told they should be concerned. As I, and another person pointed out, just because a social worker, or as it transpired, a childrens charity worker wouldn't raise an eyebrow doesn't make it ok. It just highlights the obvious weak links within that profession!

!!!!!!?! She's a qualified social worker, employed as a social worker, doing social work specifically around improving children at risks' lives through working directly with parents. And the horrific treatment of children that she deals with is FAR WORSE than the odd decision to leave a sleeping child in a car in safe circumstances after a parent has considered the options and risks. Just saying.

I wasn't making it about me. Just trying to get you to acknowledge the grey area you've ignored so vehemently.

Nicki

If my 18 month old was climbing out of a cot and hurting themselves then I would take them out of a cot and put them in a low bed. What I wouldn't do is put them in a car seat and leave them in a car on their own, where if they climbed out of the seat, they could release the handbrake or open the passenger door and wander off. Most parents will tell you that the first time they realised their child could easily unfasten the safety harness of a car seat was when they popped out of the car seat unexpectedly, and a lot of kids work this out around the same age as the child in the OP.

moomoomama27

notanewuser wrote: »

!!!!!!?! She's a qualified social worker, employed as a social worker, doing social work specifically around improving children at risks' lives through working directly with parents. And the horrific treatment of children that she deals with is FAR WORSE than the odd decision to leave a sleeping child in a car in safe circumstances after a parent has considered the options and risks. Just saying.

I wasn't making it about me. Just trying to get you to acknowledge the grey area you've ignored so vehemently.

I haven't ignored any grey areas, I just refuse to acknowledge and accept that it is ever a good choice to leave a child alone in a car for parental convenience or otherwise.

alwaysskint96

Just a thought

If you for example went to pay for petrol would you insist that EVERYONE left the car while you did? What if Granny was in the car with sleeping children? Get them all out in case the car spontaneously burst into flames? Wheres the line? Are children any safer from sudden explosion of cars if someone else present?


As for children awakening and letting off the handbrake- dont people leave their cars in gear- or is it only the people in our street as its a steep hill do it

notanewuser

Nicki wrote: »

If my 18 month old was climbing out of a cot and hurting themselves then I would take them out of a cot and put them in a low bed. What I wouldn't do is put them in a car seat and leave them in a car on their own, where if they climbed out of the seat, they could release the handbrake or open the passenger door and wander off. Most parents will tell you that the first time they realised their child could easily unfasten the safety harness of a car seat was when they popped out of the car seat unexpectedly, and a lot of kids work this out around the same age as the child in the OP.

Now this I agree with. As I said, DD didn't nap in her cot ever. For various reasons we moved her into an extended rear facing seat which was isofixed into the car at 9 months. For some reason between then and about 18 months I left her in the seat sleeping maybe 4 times. She never worked out how to get out of that seat, and she moved into another seat at 3ish. She's only worked out how to get out of that seat in the last 2 months. There's no way I'd leave her in the car now purely because if she woke and unclipped herself she'd set the alarm off which would probably upset her a lot. I do park in gear.

moomoomama27

alwaysskint96 wrote: »

Just a thought

If you for example went to pay for petrol would you insist that EVERYONE left the car while you did? What if Granny was in the car with sleeping children? Get them all out in case the car spontaneously burst into flames? Wheres the line? Are children any safer from sudden explosion of cars if someone else present?


As for children awakening and letting off the handbrake- dont people leave their cars in gear- or is it only the people in our street as its a steep hill do it

If there was a responsible adult in the car, no. Hopefully they would have the intelligence to unbuckle the child and get out. But yes if the child is alone, we would all get out to pay.

supersaver2

moomoomama27 wrote: »

If there was a responsible adult in the car, no. Hopefully they would have the intelligence to unbuckle the child and get out. But yes if the child is alone, we would all get out to pay.

But according to an awful lot on here these cars they have seen have burst into flames and been burnt out very quickly, would the adult have time to get the children out? Seems a bit risky usng a car at all with all these cars catching fire! We don't want to put our children in the way of any risk now!

moomoomama27

supersaver2 wrote: »

But according to an awful lot on here these cars they have seen have burst into flames and been burnt out very quickly, would the adult have time to get the children out? Seems a bit risky usng a car at all with all these cars catching fire! We don't want to put our children in the way of any risk now!

Of course there risk everywhere, I think, for me, it's about managing or reducing that risk to the lowest risk possible. I completely take on board the fact that for a stationary car to catch on fire is more than likely rate, but it does happen, the same with cars crashing into parked cars.

The problem is everyone is taking it very personally, and the ones that do leave their children are defensive and desperately trying to justify their reasons. I will never see this parenting practise as safe. Perhaps my job has made me more aware of risks I would never previously considered possible, and the consequences that come with scenarios that are deemed safe.

Person_one

supersaver2 wrote: »

But according to an awful lot on here these cars they have seen have burst into flames and been burnt out very quickly, would the adult have time to get the children out? Seems a bit risky usng a car at all with all these cars catching fire! We don't want to put our children in the way of any risk now!

The issue is the ability to take action. A big part of a parent'a job is to protect their child until the child is old enough to be able to protect itself. An adult in a car can take action in an emergency, as much as it's possible to. A young child strapped into a car seat is powerless to take any action to help itself in an emergency/if it's suffering etc.

supersaver2

moomoomama27 wrote: »

Of course there risk everywhere, I think, for me, it's about managing or reducing that risk to the lowest risk possible. I completely take on board the fact that for a stationary car to catch on fire is more than likely rate, but it does happen, the same with cars crashing into parked cars.

The problem is everyone is taking it very personally, and the ones that do leave their children are defensive and desperately trying to justify their reasons. I will never see this parenting practise as safe. Perhaps my job has made me more aware of risks I would never previously considered possible, and the consequences that come with scenarios that are deemed safe.

I think people are getting defensive because its natural when they are being judged on the choices they make. Most of us do activities everyday that will statistically carry more risk than leaving a child sleeping in a car on their drive, most of these activities aren't essential, you are much more likely to be in a road traffic accident or hit by a drunk driver than your car bursting into flames or your child being kidnapped. I read recently that Step Parents are the most likely to abuse children than any other group, is bringing a person into your house that isn't your childs parent irresponsible? Nothing is black and white and we all take risks depending on our circumstances.